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Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by Oletros »

z0noxz wrote: post #29
bykovich wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When has a SaaS operator stolen data hosted on their service?

The question was about Microsoft, and it depends on the definition of "stealing" and the definition of "your". It's in the terms and conditions when using their services. As a user you agree to a lot, that you probably wouldn't agree to if you took your time to read the fine print. Many SaaS operators has also a history of selling data to others, and a breach of the service might effect all users of that service and…

> It's in the terms and conditions when using their services.

The it will be easy to point to those terms in Azure service.

> SaaS operators has also a history of selling data to others,

Then it willbe easy to link to news about those SASS operators selling the data.

> Many companies have restrictions against usage of SaaS for exactly those reasons...

Then it will be easy to bring examples of those companies with restrictions.

Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by Oletros »

z0noxz wrote: post #20
Oletros wrote: post #15

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If you can explain your fears perhaps we would understand, because I still don't know why using Azure is a privacy trade? Does Microsoft "steal" the data?

It happens all the time, and also; when using proprietary software you never know, and that's the big issue (for me). I never use SaS or MS-products (I only use FOSS) so I don't fear for myself.

> It happens all the time

Still waiting any proof of your claim

Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by badminton1 »

willvarfar wrote: post #28
badminton1 wrote: post #26

You cannot look at the code, and cannot monitor the infrastructure. The only thing left is trust. Trust in the belief that Microsoft will act in your best interest regarding the privacy of your data. But, isn't reasonable then to ask if Microsoft is actually trustworthy? PRISM, NSAKEY, Flame malware propagating via Windows Update, their 0day policy... I don't think Microsoft is trustworthy.

People choose managed services all the time. If you worry about interception, then code inspection and monitoring isn't going to give you any assurances. You'd have to run open-source software locally, audit it, and not put it on a cloud like Azure in the first place? (And the NSAKEY was something completely different if you dig into it.)

Using a service means trusting a service. Nothing wrong with either, it's a decision up to the consumer.

I am just saying, in this specific case, should you trust Microsoft with your data? That's all.

Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by willvarfar »

badminton1 wrote: post #33
willvarfar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People choose managed services all the time. If you worry about interception, then code inspection and monitoring isn't going to give you any assurances. You'd have to run open-source software locally, audit it, and not put it on a cloud like Azure in the first place? (And the NSAKEY was something completely different if you dig into it.)

Using a service means trusting a service. Nothing wrong with either, it's a decision up to the consumer. I am just saying, in this specific case, should you trust Microsoft with your data? That's all.

Well, do you trust Amazon, Google, Oracle or Rackspace? How about your local mum pop hosting provider? How is Microsoft different?

Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by stephen123 »

hoodoof wrote: post #19
steve918 wrote: post #16

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DynamoDB would be pretty close if it just allowed null values.

DynamoDB is effectively useless for querying, except perhaps for some sort of highly specialised application able to fit within the DynamoDB strange and arcane query model. What sort of database is effectively useless for querying? Also they need to ditch the really, really confusiong and limiting scaling model. For a database that advertises scaling as one of its key strengths, DynamoDB sure has a bad scaling story.

It works well for a CQRS model. Which helps with super high scale apps. But most devs want joins and dont want to take the discipline to manage the data duplication.

Re: Dear MongoDB users, we welcome you in Azure DocumentDB

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Post by z0noxz »

Oletros wrote: post #32
z0noxz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It happens all the time, and also; when using proprietary software you never know, and that's the big issue (for me). I never use SaS or MS-products (I only use FOSS) so I don't fear for myself.

> It happens all the time Still waiting any proof of your claim

Next time when I have access to a PC I can do the searching and reading for you, but until then you will have to wait. I will have access to a PC in about 10 days. I'm not great at typing without a keyboard. But if you can't wait, just search it on the web. I'm sure HN is full of articles about Microsoft and privacy issues as well.
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