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Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by yoz-y » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:18 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #28

throwawayish wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Earlier in my life I did a lot of Windows system-level programming, including some minor driver development, and now I'm practically exclusively on the #nix bunch, sometimes doing similar stuff. I can't say that there is a disparity. If anything, the parts that are documented are usually better documented in the Windows world, and there are very good books about most components. (To be fair I never read a book on any…

I've never done kernel work on Windows but on Linux at least you can dig into the source code to figure out how stuff works when the documentation is lacking. I suppose that's what the parent was talking about.

Not giving the source code forces you to write a better documentation though. In an ideal world, both would be available but personally I prefer a good documentation rather than source code diving.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by mrmondo » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:18 PM UTC

cobookman wrote: post #20

Am I the only one getting SSL cert authority invalid error

I too had this, forcing the site to load also shows a number of page errors too.

*Edit: checking the site on my phone now and it seems to load, pretty poorly designed site though IMO, unbalanced layout but at least it loads now.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by tdhz77 » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:19 PM UTC

cobookman wrote: post #20

Am I the only one getting SSL cert authority invalid error

Me too. Corporate Proxy sometimes acts up though.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:21 PM UTC

mlmlmasd wrote: post #10

Seems to be just a marketing page with no link to source code or even mention of open source? Here is the github page: https://github.com/Microsoft/GraphEngine

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Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by EGreg » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:23 PM UTC

debatem1 wrote: post #23

cobookman wrote: post #20

Am I the only one getting SSL cert authority invalid error

Nope, I am as well.

But I'm pretty sure you two are the only ones.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:25 PM UTC

jpfed wrote: post #14

bluejekyll wrote: post #5

At this rate, are we going to see Windows open-sourced? MS is on a roll. My bias since 1996 is being eroded with each OSS release they have, and multi-platform targeted support. I started using VSCode regularly as my main Rust IDE, and I feel dirty for liking it. It's seemless across macOS and Linux.

I am under the impression that MS has a lot of different parts, and that these parts have different cultures and goals. MS Research and their developer division seem really open-source-friendly, but that may or may not say anything about their OS team.

Their OS team just put a Ubuntu-Linux subsystem into Windows via direct kernel calls. I'd be careful assuming anything about them.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by zump » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:27 PM UTC

How is this different to D-Graph?

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by tempVariable » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:27 PM UTC

I see that the source code "os.h" file has directives to handle Linux and Apple. Has anyone managed to build it and use it in the even most trivial way?

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by WayneBro » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:27 PM UTC

Kipters wrote: post #24

WayneBro wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet. Their next strategy is to try and use ARM (again) to shove UWP down your throat. I love Windows but I seriously will not touch UWP until they loosen up the sandbox restrictions so that I can do regular IPC with a win32 desktop app. You can't even send an HTTP request to a little node.js Web server running on your desktop right now. Fuck that. I'm not buying into it.

Care to elaborate on the HTTP part? You just need the "Internet (client)" capability in your manifest, it's even enabled by default when you create a new project Moreover, win32 desktop apps can use the AppService mechanism exposed by UWP apps (but cannot host an AppService themselves, just connect to UWP-hosted AppServices)

Give it a try. You can't send requests to `localhost` or `127.0.0.1` at all.

AppService is largely useless for IPC between UWP and Win32 since the UWP app can't initiate a request to the Win32 app.

Another thing you can't do, which is really annoying: UWP won't let your code start an external process and use standard i/o pipes to communicate with it.

The only possibility is to use files for IPC and you'd have to have your Win32 app listen for changes in the file or directory, then open it up and read the data. However UWP can't listen for changes in those same files, so it's a real PITA.

All of the options are listed here - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12341707/communication-be...

You can also use a loopback exemption, but it requires installing a fake root certificate (no thanks!) - http://docs.telerik.com/fiddler/Configure-Fiddler/Tasks/Conf...

or

http://loopback.codeplex.com/

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by v-yadli » Thu, Feb 09, 2017, 4:28 PM UTC

wyldfire wrote: post #2

I find that very abstract software packages like this are difficult to visualize without an example. This page does not offer one, but TFM does -- see [1]. Also note that TFM describes the fact that this is Windows-only. That makes it substantially less interesting, IMO. [1] https://www.graphengine.io/docs/manual/index.html#what-is-ge

Dev here. Cross-platform for Linux/BSD is on the way, and it's already in the repo now.