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I hadn't noticed this before, but aphyr has an elaborate and articulate ethics policy: http://jepsen.io/ethics I like it.
So a client can get the analysis done and leave it unpublished if they don't like the results? Maybe that's standard practice but it doesn't seem great for users.
Bigger news is that Jepsen tests are now part of the MongoDB continuous integration suite: https://evergreen.mongodb.com/build/mongodb_mongo_master_ubu... Open and available for everyone to see, for every build of MongoDB. Is there another database that has this much transparency? (for every build)
I at least will never trust Mongo for anything but a toy project. There are so many better options out there, options whose technical capabilities are as good as Mongo's marketing.
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> I think that this really shows how mature of a Database MongoDB is. Or that it took this long for them to pass basic proficiency tests. How do other database systems fare with these tests?
You can check out the other databases he has tested here: http://jepsen.io/analyses That being said, none of the big players in sql are there, so you can't size it up against postgres or mysql.
I hadn't noticed this before, but aphyr has an elaborate and articulate ethics policy: http://jepsen.io/ethics I like it.
So a client can get the analysis done and leave it unpublished if they don't like the results? Maybe that's standard practice but it doesn't seem great for users.
There's no "standard practice" that I know of--very few people are doing this kind of work. Behind every one of these analyses is weeks of contract negotiation where I try to convince assorted lawyers & CFOs to go along with my weird, idealistic ethical policies. And conversely, those lawyers and CFOs do their best to balance the desire for correctness with their duty to protect the company. This policy outlines how we compromise.
Originally I did offer a client veto, because clients weren't willing to sign without some assurance of control over the outcome. My current standard contract for analyses actually drops that client veto: I have final say on the analysis content and publication. There's still a grace period to allow the vendor to fix bugs & get things in order. I'm adopting this as the standard going forward, but it's been a long road to get there.
That said, I do perform private consulting--usually for in-house systems, sometimes for clients that can't afford a full analysis, and sometimes as a precursor to more involved work. That means that yes, vendors may be aware of bugs and I won't have told you about them--but I promise that my public work remains honest and forthcoming.
Bigger news is that Jepsen tests are now part of the MongoDB continuous integration suite: https://evergreen.mongodb.com/build/mongodb_mongo_master_ubu... Open and available for everyone to see, for every build of MongoDB. Is there another database that has this much transparency? (for every build)
Given their start point (a product unfit for public consumption) that is the absolute minimum they need to do. I at least will never trust Mongo for anything but a toy project. There are so many better options out there, options whose technical capabilities are as good as Mongo's marketing.
MongoDB receives a fair amount of criticism here but the company is a fantastic place to work. I'm proud that I was able to learn and grow as a developer alongside all of those who have been trying (and succeeding) to make a great database. The team at MongoDB really cares a lot about making the best database product possible. I knew it when I was there and still think so after I've left.
Bigger news is that Jepsen tests are now part of the MongoDB continuous integration suite: https://evergreen.mongodb.com/build/mongodb_mongo_master_ubu... Open and available for everyone to see, for every build of MongoDB. Is there another database that has this much transparency? (for every build)
Given their start point (a product unfit for public consumption) that is the absolute minimum they need to do. I at least will never trust Mongo for anything but a toy project. There are so many better options out there, options whose technical capabilities are as good as Mongo's marketing.
MongoDB receives a fair amount of criticism here but the company is a fantastic place to work. I'm proud that I was able to learn and grow as a developer alongside all of those who have been trying (and succeeding) to make a great database. The team at MongoDB really cares a lot about making the best database product possible. I knew it when I was there and still think so after I've left.
None of the criticisms I have ever seen or heard about MongoDB were related to Mongo Inc and their office culture but rather their product.