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China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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It's always been an international community. People in pretty much every country are doing some pretty amazing stuff. A lot of it you won't hear about if you limit yourself to press releases from venture capitalists.

> It's always been an international community.

Yeah, I thought a lot of the deep-learning revolution had come out of Canadian universities.

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"Many Silicon Valley firms remain hesitant to be seen as working too closely with the Pentagon out of fear of losing access to China’s market." This is an interesting assertion, but I'd like to see some evidence.

Not sure about this blanket statement, with Palantir being a shining example of why it's likely overtly wrong (DoD is most likely their largest source of revenue).

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>The new Chinese weapon typifies a strategy known as “remote warfare,” said John Arquilla, a military strategist at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey, Calif. The idea is to build large fleets of small ships that deploy missiles, to attack an enemy with larger ships, like aircraft carriers. This reminds me of a famous story of an early AI system, which competed against humans in a table top war game focused a…

Curious that the winning strategy resulted in the maximum loss of human life.

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Many of the best AI researchers are Chinese. But they almost all work for US companies. Which is why we cannot mess with immigration. This article is written for people outside the field? Baidu is alright but a bit of a shambles. All the did was build a dense GPU rack for RNN training. Their imagenet results were from cheating. The theoretically interesting work isn't really happening there. The Microsoft paper was f…

Exactly. I deeply respect ng and his team, but they are more applied.

Also, hilariously, the article totally neglects that more research comes from Canada and Europe (deepmind) than the US....

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Many of the best AI researchers are Chinese. But they almost all work for US companies. Which is why we cannot mess with immigration. This article is written for people outside the field? Baidu is alright but a bit of a shambles. All the did was build a dense GPU rack for RNN training. Their imagenet results were from cheating. The theoretically interesting work isn't really happening there. The Microsoft paper was f…

Agreed! From my perspective (computer vision), I can think of quite a few Chinese individuals who are true leaders in AI at this point (often working for US companies).

In fact, given both Hinton and Bengio's being Canadian and LeCun being French, I would say US really in the game in terms of producing "AI grandmasters" (assuming that's their definition of grandmaster). Krizhevsky was studying in Canada. DeepMind is European.

From both the research and industrial perspectives, China's education system has well prepared students for the field of deep learning - the rigorous / analytic nature has proven a massive benefit when dealing with such large models and datasets.

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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>The new Chinese weapon typifies a strategy known as “remote warfare,” said John Arquilla, a military strategist at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey, Calif. The idea is to build large fleets of small ships that deploy missiles, to attack an enemy with larger ships, like aircraft carriers. This reminds me of a famous story of an early AI system, which competed against humans in a table top war game focused a…

Curious that the winning strategy resulted in the maximum loss of human life.

*autonomous ship lives

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

#38
post #2

It's always been an international community. People in pretty much every country are doing some pretty amazing stuff. A lot of it you won't hear about if you limit yourself to press releases from venture capitalists.

> It's always been an international community. Yeah, I thought a lot of the deep-learning revolution had come out of Canadian universities.

It did, and a lot of drl (deepmind in London), but the media loves jerking off the us.

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Many of the best AI researchers are Chinese. But they almost all work for US companies. Which is why we cannot mess with immigration. This article is written for people outside the field? Baidu is alright but a bit of a shambles. All the did was build a dense GPU rack for RNN training. Their imagenet results were from cheating. The theoretically interesting work isn't really happening there. The Microsoft paper was f…

Exactly. I deeply respect ng and his team, but they are more applied. Also, hilariously, the article totally neglects that more research comes from Canada and Europe (deepmind) than the US....

You mean US companies with international offices such as Geoff Hinton at Google Toronto and DeepMind owned by Alphabet in the UK? Not to mention Facebook AI Research in Paris. Yep. Canada and Europe sure are producing strong research for the US. Thanks for the talent!

Re: China Gains on the U.S. In the Artificial Intelligence Arms Race

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Many of the best AI researchers are Chinese. But they almost all work for US companies. Which is why we cannot mess with immigration. This article is written for people outside the field? Baidu is alright but a bit of a shambles. All the did was build a dense GPU rack for RNN training. Their imagenet results were from cheating. The theoretically interesting work isn't really happening there. The Microsoft paper was f…

> "Which is why we cannot mess with immigration."

This context is the proper use of the H1-B visa. Providing technical talent for which Americans can not fill the role.

But almost all of H1-B is abused where immigrants are used to do jobs that can be done by Americans as a means of lowering wages.

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