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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by pabloski »

jsutton wrote: post #7
elmerfud wrote: post #3

I'm not sure I totally agree with the idea to cut funds, but there is certainly a problem where protesters have forgotten how to be peaceable. This is kind of a natural out growth of the "ends justify the means" philosophy. Since people replying can't seem to read critically let me clarify. I didn't say ALL or most protests haven't been peaceable. Because you can cite peaceful ones does not mean that there is not a p…

The vast majority of recent protests in this country have been completely peaceful. I don't think it's a problem of protesters forgetting how to be peaceful, but rather small group(s) of violent people that are drawn to certain protests with the intention of violence.

"but rather small group(s) of violent people" called Black Blocks and payed by a certain infamous oligarch...

do you see the pattern? this is another arab spring ( or color revolution if you prefer ) but this time in the US

seriously, when will the people understand what is really happening?

the aristocracies are trying to reassert their "divine" rights upon the ignorant masses

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by vkou »

Alex3917 wrote: post #20
vkou wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so. There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.

You're missing the point though. They're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape. And yet they weren't throwing rocks at Bernie because his followers referred to black people as low-information voters. Nor were they protesting Hillary because her followers referred to Obama as a boy. Do you really not see the double standard?

> They're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape.

There's a million reasons to protest this guy. You're missing the forest through the trees, by focusing on only one (That you consider absurd or hypocritical).

Bernie Sanders also didn't speak out in support of a muslim ban, or building a wall, or deporting millions of people... But Milo sure did.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by tw04 »

Wildgoose wrote: post #21
neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

No, one protestor mistook the "anti-fascist" tattoo on another protestor as implying support for fascism, and so shot him. The violence was all carried out by those trying to shut down the free speech of a gay Jew who only dates black men.

Are those more "alternative facts"? Because your summary isn't remotely accurate. The shooter was there in support of Milo, he wasn't a protester. And it was his second confrontation of the night - quite the victim.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/uw-shooting/

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by [deleted] »

Alex3917 wrote: post #8
general_ai wrote: post #4

That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by Smoofer »

Wildgoose wrote: post #21
neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

No, one protestor mistook the "anti-fascist" tattoo on another protestor as implying support for fascism, and so shot him. The violence was all carried out by those trying to shut down the free speech of a gay Jew who only dates black men.

Protest is just another form of expressing free speech - besides that, I fail to see what Milo being a "gay Jew who only dates black men" has to do with anything?

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by vkou »

monksy wrote: post #15
vkou wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at similar protests at UW, where one of Milo's supporters shot an unarmed man, the police released him without charges. This should tell you exactly where the police stand, vis-a-vis fascism in America.

Why exactly was he not charged? The police aren't exactly there to say "oh yea you did it .. but you're free to go" They're highly incentivized to put people in jail.

He had a classic excuse - he felt threatened in the press of the crowd, so he fired a gun into it. Keep this one in mind if you ever get kettled.

He also lied about being attacked by a white supremacist (Who the victim most certainly was not.)

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by whitneyrzoller »

Alex3917 wrote: post #8
general_ai wrote: post #4

That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

That's a pretty broad brush. I attended Cal and observed a sizable Anarchist population in Berkeley and Oakland that actually had nothing to do with the University. Were some of the rioters from Cal? Probably. I suspect the vast majority were not.

At least at the University level it seems like free speech was an important factor for deciding to allow hosting somebody with such an incendiary message. Here's the chancellor's statement: http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/01/26/chancellor-statement-on-...

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by [deleted] »

Alex3917 wrote: post #8
general_ai wrote: post #4

That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by callinyouin »

Threatening to cut federal funding for a major public university after an event like this, however disastrous, is exactly what I'd expect from an authoritarian dictator and not the president of the United States. Had the roles been reversed and right wing protesters started a riot due to an extreme left wing speaker, does anyone honestly believe Trump would have reacted this way? For the record, I'm not trying to excuse the actions of those who acted violently/destructively.
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