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Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by throwanem »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #8
battlebot wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole "this is crazy" bit is a matter of opinion only, you understand that, yes? What tech companies are so upset about is being cut off from their cheap source of exploitable labor. The rest of the huffing and puffing is just a smokescreen to make you forget what they are guilty of.

Its crazy on a practical level because those tech companies aren't going to lose their cheap source of exploitable Labor..they'll figure a way around it. it's crazy because the country is going to be losing out on so much tax money from these countries Outsourcing and moving their operations overseas or to Canada.

> those tech companies aren't going to lose their cheap source of exploitable Labor..they'll figure a way around it

That's pretty much what we're looking at right here, don't you think?

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by thecolorblue »

wdcgu wrote: post #19
sjg007 wrote: post #2

Smart, can US citizens go too?

No. There are plenty of unemployed Canadians. Americans will just steal those jobs and bring down wages.

Interesting opinion. Have you thought about moving to a red state in the US? I think you would like it.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by baursak »

conistonwater wrote: post #6
hedora wrote: post #3

Wasn't the previous Canadian prime minister at least as xenophobic as Trump? (e.g., they revoked a bunch of dual citizens' Canadian citizenship) What will prevent Canadians from out-crazying the US in the next major election? (Honest question; Vancouver is a beautiful city, and presumably much less expensive than SF.)

WRT citizenship, if I googled it correctly, C-24 requires a terrorism-related conviction, or having obtained the citizenship by misrepresentation or fraud, in order to strip a dual citizen of their Canadian passport. It doesn't seem to be in the same category of things as the sorts of things Trump's doing. I'd say compared with Tories, the Republicans really are in a class of their own.

As far as I know Trudeau government already repealed it.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by sametmax »

Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #28
acchow wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want highly-paid people who could live anywhere they wanted in the world to move to Mexico? How many people that get paid bay area salaries but work remotely do you think live in Mexico?

I'd move to Mexico. My purchasing power would skyrocket, and from what I've seen Mexico City is pretty cool. It's obviously got some downsides, like not being an English speaking country, which is probably why it's not happening

No the downsides of Mexico are the insecurity, the pollution and the endemic corruption of authorities.

Not speaking english is a fake problem. You can learn spanish in 6 months if you live in the country, it's not a very hard language and Mexican are very social people.

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Post by kaybe »

thecolorblue wrote: post #32
wdcgu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There are plenty of unemployed Canadians. Americans will just steal those jobs and bring down wages.

Interesting opinion. Have you thought about moving to a red state in the US? I think you would like it.

I doubt the grandparent post was serious.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by BjoernKW »

What I probably will never get is why - of all places - Silicon Valley is so obsessed with exclusively hiring locally.

You'd think that companies that are so eager to disrupt whole industries would be more susceptive to adapting more modern and efficient ways of organising work.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by 3pt14159 »

supercanuck wrote: post #14

Canada, where you make less and pay more

You don't pay more in Toronto. You don't even pay more in tax let alone healthcare and housing. Vancouver is really the only place it could reasonably be argued that you pay more while earning less, and it's one of the warmest areas in Canada, with awesome giant mountains, and a beautiful coastline.

Live in Halifax[1], earn $80k a year as a decent, but unremarkable, software developer and buy a house downtown or on the water for $250k. Don't worry about your girlfriend or brother asking for help to pay their $20k medical bill. Don't worry about getting thrown in prison for simple cannabis possession or other small crimes. Don't worry about getting shot, while still being able to buy guns if you're responsible.

[1] Or Ottawa, or Montreal, or Quebec City, or Kingston, or Waterloo. I choose Toronto because it's more fun, but even here my rent right downtown for my own place is only $1525.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by eloisant »

serge2k wrote: post #16

I'm so sick of the "moving to Canada" talk. You get to come if we say so, not because it's your backup plan. I like living where I am now, and I don't want to leave to go back to Canada and earn drastically less with the same (optimistically) expenses. While working on less interesting stuff.

Let's be honest, Canada (like any other country in the world) is always happy when a wealthy company comes to invest and open an office, especially if it's to recruit qualified workers.

The equation is pretty simple: 1. It will bring jobs to Canadians (the offices won't be made only of expats, for many reasons) 2. Employees will spend their salary in Canada, and pay taxes in Canada 3. Knowledge: interns/employees go work to these companies then may move to Canadians companies or create their own with the knowledge they acquired

Basically it's a big win for the receiving country. Just ask Ireland how it worked for them.

Re: Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada

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Post by eva1984 »

mc32 wrote: post #13
api_or_ipa wrote: post #12

I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…

Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone? I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump. Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altoge…

Not attractive, and language problem.

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Post by crpatino »

mc32 wrote: post #13
api_or_ipa wrote: post #12

I'll say this everytime Vancouver comes up in HN. It's a stunning city, full of modern amenities (including a public transit system that's actually awesome and very well used) and incredible access to nature. None of this is remotely enticing to young engineers when they make 2x-3x as much in SF and only pay ~30-50% more for housing. Until wages rise in Vancouver, there will be much fanfare about tech companies movin…

Why doesn't silicon valley throw Mexico a bone? I'm sure Mexico would be up to taking advantage of the new congress's policies as a means to irk Trump. Why not contribute to the economic growth of the underachieving neighbor rather than the overachiever? People talk about sympathizing illegal immigrants from Mexico, but when they have a real opportunity to help develop the place, they kind of forget about them altoge…

I have seen the responses to this, and all seem very reasonable. We have our fair share of problems down of the border.

However, economy triumps everything. Down here, you can hire talented, English-speaking recent graduates for USD$15k or less. Many companies are already doing this and the main reason they do not do it faster is that the talent pool is constrained. That, too, is changing, due to the growing pool of would be mentors.

Indian companies, such as Tata, are doing this too. Their main motivation is to have multiple locations around the sun to implement their "follow the sun" support system, but a huge side effect is reduced cost. They hire plenty of local talent too, but bring lots of immigrants from their mainland. In the last 10 years, all the posh neighbourhoods in the south side of my town are seeing the arrival of Asian populations, formerly unheard off.

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