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Re: Fake Physics

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Is it confusing? Is there a specific reason to think that the multiverse is related to the many worlds interpretation? I didn't know people thought they were the same thing.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation > MWI is one of many multiverse hypotheses in physics and philosophy.

I find that a bit mis-leading. While IAAP, this is not my area.

My understanding is the at the big bang there are a HUGE number of universes (the Multiverse) that are causally dis-connected, with different coupling constants for the forces and very different physics. Within our universe we have our physics, which includes QM, and one way of viewing QM is the many-worlds view.

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This is a frustrating era for physicists. In the mid 20th century they were like gods, giving the world the atomic bomb and the semiconductor. Today many branches of physics are stuck. The cosmologists can't find "dark matter", and aren't even sure it's necessary. The string theorists have pretty but un-testable theories. The fusion guys can't make fusion power work. Quantum mechanics and general relativity still hav…

I think that the fusion guys think that they have made fusion work and are going to deliver it commercially in ~15 years (in ~5 years this claim will be either obvious or dead). I think that the quantum computer guys think that they are about to deliver as well.

Not sure if you're serious or joking (the parenthesis suggests to me serious), but AFAIK it's a well known saying that fusion power is in permanent state of "to be delivered commercially in ~15 years" since '50s or something like that...

Edit: ah, yes, and also the slightly more generic mandatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/678/

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At some point, I had considered the idea that after the invention of the atomic bomb, the cabal of scientists surrounding its discovery were asked to obfuscate further advancements, and seclude practical findings behind classified restrictions. Many of the scienctists of that post war era were hounded mercilessly for decades ever after, throughout the cold war. If one were to try and obfuscate a scientific field, and…

At some point, I had considered the idea that after the invention of the atomic bomb, the cabal of scientists surrounding its discovery were asked to obfuscate further advancements, and seclude practical findings behind classified restrictions. Conspiracy theory: in the early days after the H-bomb, there was research into finding some way to make an H-bomb without needing an atomic bomb just to get the energy to star…

You might like Asimov's story "The Dead Past".

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As usual I think that Woit's blog post is unnecessarily polarizing. If you decide to read his post then I would recommend you also read the excellent comment by Marty Tysanner on the same page. Also, sigh. If you dig deep into the dark corners of the internets then I am sure that you can find fake anything. Focus on the beauty and the truth, people. For example: [1] LIGO continues to work beautifully, as evidenced by…

> also read the excellent comment by Marty Tysanner on the same page.

also read Woit's sensible reply to that comment and MT's re-reply. I agree Woit is polarizing but maybe not unnecessarily.

because the problems he points out are not hidden in the dark corners of the internets but all over the mainstream media - and arxiv too, and backed with millions of dollars.

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I think that the fusion guys think that they have made fusion work and are going to deliver it commercially in ~15 years (in ~5 years this claim will be either obvious or dead). I think that the quantum computer guys think that they are about to deliver as well.

I'm not sure about either of these. The problem with fusion is commercial viability. Building something for billions of dollars that can barely put out more energy than you put in isn't commercially viable. At any rate, fusion seems more like a very tough engineering problem, the physics has been there for a long while. With quantum computing there are also no real signs that a quantum computer will beat a "classical…

One thing to remember with quantum computation is that "large enough to be superior" is measured in 10s of units of quantum resources. That doesn't seem so far away.

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The post seems to be a short rant on opinions concerning the idea of a "multiverse" published on various popular science news websites. Isn't this idea is just one of the several major interpretations of quantum mechanics? Any popularized discussion of quantum mechanics (or cosmology) could be labeled "fake physics", of course, but the point of this is not clear to me.

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You have to dig down to the 2nd page of comments on his previous post about these articles to learn that when he says "multiverse" he isn't referring to the many worlds interpretation of QM: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=9027&cpage=1... It's very confusing and I can't help but assume he doesn't mind misleading people.

"Multiverse" can have several different meanings, causally disconnected regions of spacetime in General Relativity, landscape ideas in String theory or all the worlds of the many worlds interpretation. However, since non of them so far produced actual, that is observable, physics, it is probably not important to distinguish between these meanings in a popular discussion.

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I think that the fusion guys think that they have made fusion work and are going to deliver it commercially in ~15 years (in ~5 years this claim will be either obvious or dead). I think that the quantum computer guys think that they are about to deliver as well.

I'm not sure about either of these. The problem with fusion is commercial viability. Building something for billions of dollars that can barely put out more energy than you put in isn't commercially viable. At any rate, fusion seems more like a very tough engineering problem, the physics has been there for a long while. With quantum computing there are also no real signs that a quantum computer will beat a "classical…

> there are also no real signs that a quantum computer will beat a "classical" computer at anything any time soon

John Martinis' group is planning to do that within the next two years [1][2]. Ten years might be realistic for solving useful problems faster and cheaper, but the esoteric speedups are right around the corner.

1: https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.00263 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgMWommXxU8

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I think that the fusion guys think that they have made fusion work and are going to deliver it commercially in ~15 years (in ~5 years this claim will be either obvious or dead). I think that the quantum computer guys think that they are about to deliver as well.

I'm not sure about either of these. The problem with fusion is commercial viability. Building something for billions of dollars that can barely put out more energy than you put in isn't commercially viable. At any rate, fusion seems more like a very tough engineering problem, the physics has been there for a long while. With quantum computing there are also no real signs that a quantum computer will beat a "classical…

> With quantum computing there are also no real signs that a quantum computer will beat a "classical" computer at anything any time soon. It always was and still is very difficult to get quantum systems to scale and you need a large enough system to make a difference and it may be impossible to do so. Again a lot of this is more of an engineering problem though admittedly the line between physics and engineering can be blurry since it's not always clear whether something can't be done because you've reached a fundamental limitation vs. having a clever enough design.

The mentioning of quantum computers is very interesting in the following sense: If one were able to build a sufficiently large quantum computer, this would provide strong evidence that the (at the moment rather hypothetical) theory whether quantum mechanics is rather an emergent phenomen by a deterministic process (cellular automaton)

> https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.1548

which the Nobel laureate Gerard 't Hooft worked on for the last years is probably wrong. To quote p. 79-80:

"Such scaled classical computers can of course not be built, so that this quantum computer will still be allowed to perform computational miracles, but factoring a number with millions of digits into its prime factors will not be possible – unless fundamentally improved classical algorithms turn out to exist. If engineers ever succeed in making such quantum computers, it seems to me that the CAT is falsified; no classical theory can explain quantum mechanics."

On the other hand, if we seriously get into trouble building a sufficiently large quantum computer (despite our best efforts), this would at least to me provide evidence that 't Hooft is on something - since that this is a prediction that his Cellular Automaton Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics provides.

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This is a frustrating era for physicists. In the mid 20th century they were like gods, giving the world the atomic bomb and the semiconductor. Today many branches of physics are stuck. The cosmologists can't find "dark matter", and aren't even sure it's necessary. The string theorists have pretty but un-testable theories. The fusion guys can't make fusion power work. Quantum mechanics and general relativity still hav…

I think that the fusion guys think that they have made fusion work and are going to deliver it commercially in ~15 years (in ~5 years this claim will be either obvious or dead). I think that the quantum computer guys think that they are about to deliver as well.

Having worked in quantum computing, I think we'll get fusion first. Essentially the problem is, all of our scalable quantum architectures are really just mathematical models. There's scant research on actually building anything larger than about ten qubits. When you consider fact that error correction means you probably need about 500k physical qubits to do anything interesting (at least!) and as I like to joke even if we followed Moore's law it would take 32 years or so (and I doubt QC would scale so quickly) so not anytime soon.

But that doesn't mean it's "frustrated". There's a lot of progress being made. There's just a long way to go. Quantum algorithms are hard.

Fusion guys have always claimed they're underfunded w.r.t. experiments and in fairness fusion does get kinda hot so I could see it being expensive.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._historical_fusi...

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