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To me, he comes off here as completely uninformed about virtually every subject in which he is interviewed. I'm not sure why he'd agree to an interview if he wasn't going to do _some_ preparation. Just look at this trainwreck: > When I remark that President Obama had eight years without any ethical shadiness, Mr. Thiel flips it, noting: “But there’s a point where no corruption can be a bad thing. It can mean that thi…

I dislike his views, but one thing Thiel is most certainly not is misinformed. His interpretations may be completely wrong, but he is not misinformed. I recall an interview of Marc Andreessen where Marc said he had to do a ton of preparation just to stand toe to toe in a debate with Thiel. If you believe that, then look for other explanations for his oddball statements. The contrarian angle seems like the right one -…

Expertise is generally pretty narrow. For instance, I heard him speak about bio and pharma about half a year ago and he made several statements that were categorically incorrect and poorly reasoned through.

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#32

I had never heard this, potentially SV history changing story before... He recalls a story from his and Mr. Musk’s PayPal days, when Mr. Musk joined the engineering team’s poker game and bet everything on every hand, admitting only afterward that it was his first time playing poker. Then there was the time they were driving in Mr. Musk’s McLaren F1 car, “the fastest car in the world.” It hit an embankment, achieved l…

> “It was a miracle neither of us were hurt,” Crashing “the fastest car in the world.” and coming out of it without a scratch = Made up story. It seems like Thiel makes up exicting heroic stories, just like Trump, to compensate for an otherwise boring excitement-less life.

I heard that story first from Elon...

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#33

To me, he comes off here as completely uninformed about virtually every subject in which he is interviewed. I'm not sure why he'd agree to an interview if he wasn't going to do _some_ preparation. Just look at this trainwreck: > When I remark that President Obama had eight years without any ethical shadiness, Mr. Thiel flips it, noting: “But there’s a point where no corruption can be a bad thing. It can mean that thi…

No ethical shadiness? Domestic spying, civilian casualties through the drone program, IRS interference in an election against political opponents...

"IRS interference in an election against political opponents"

That was a misrepresentation of what happened. And not due to Obama.

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#34

To me, he comes off here as completely uninformed about virtually every subject in which he is interviewed. I'm not sure why he'd agree to an interview if he wasn't going to do _some_ preparation. Just look at this trainwreck: > When I remark that President Obama had eight years without any ethical shadiness, Mr. Thiel flips it, noting: “But there’s a point where no corruption can be a bad thing. It can mean that thi…

I dislike his views, but one thing Thiel is most certainly not is misinformed. His interpretations may be completely wrong, but he is not misinformed. I recall an interview of Marc Andreessen where Marc said he had to do a ton of preparation just to stand toe to toe in a debate with Thiel. If you believe that, then look for other explanations for his oddball statements. The contrarian angle seems like the right one -…

This is what surprises me about the interview. I was under the impression that, given his interest in politics, he was pretty well-informed. But his answers here are consistent with someone who knows very little about the topics he's being asked about, but has a bit of experience arguing with other people ("I'm going to answer your question with another question").

edit: And I'd love to believe the contrarian thing, but when I've seen it done by well-informed people, it's immediately substantive and really thought-provoking, instead of... well, whatever this is.

I'd be very interested in reading the interview you mentioned, if you find it at any point!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No ethical shadiness? Domestic spying, civilian casualties through the drone program, IRS interference in an election against political opponents...

Also mass deportation that earned him the DIC(K) title - Deportation-in-Chief: Source: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21595902-expelling-rec...

Is that really shady behavior?

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#36

I had never heard this, potentially SV history changing story before... He recalls a story from his and Mr. Musk’s PayPal days, when Mr. Musk joined the engineering team’s poker game and bet everything on every hand, admitting only afterward that it was his first time playing poker. Then there was the time they were driving in Mr. Musk’s McLaren F1 car, “the fastest car in the world.” It hit an embankment, achieved l…

> “It was a miracle neither of us were hurt,” Crashing “the fastest car in the world.” and coming out of it without a scratch = Made up story. It seems like Thiel makes up exicting heroic stories, just like Trump, to compensate for an otherwise boring excitement-less life.

I guess you learned today something:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=mOI8GWoMF4M

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#37

I had never heard this, potentially SV history changing story before... He recalls a story from his and Mr. Musk’s PayPal days, when Mr. Musk joined the engineering team’s poker game and bet everything on every hand, admitting only afterward that it was his first time playing poker. Then there was the time they were driving in Mr. Musk’s McLaren F1 car, “the fastest car in the world.” It hit an embankment, achieved l…

Most of these guys are not really geniuses, they are good, smart guys who made some money and started to believe their own hype long ago, and nobody dares call them out on it. They are surrounded by enablers. Paradoxically - this is a path to success - their self-belief is so strong that it's very convincing - and so long as they have 'success' to point to - then it all snowballs from there. The press writes 'puff pi…

Here's the thing: you may be right that Elon is not a genius, for example. But I can't deny he's a master salesman. Generating this hype is precisely what a salesman needs to do. That in of itself leads to genuine success.

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#38

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No ethical shadiness? Domestic spying, civilian casualties through the drone program, IRS interference in an election against political opponents...

Not to mention staying silent on the Dakota Access pipeline and continuing the drug war unabated.

I doubt that qualifies as shady behavior. You might disagree with Obama on that, but it's not an ethical lapse.

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#39
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When I remark that President Obama had eight years without any ethical shadiness, Mr. Thiel flips it, noting: “But there’s a point where no corruption can be a bad thing. It can mean that things are too boring.” I gasped when I read this

Yes. This is one of the most ridiculous PR fails of the year.

There's no way to contextualize or get around that statement.

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I dislike his views, but one thing Thiel is most certainly not is misinformed. His interpretations may be completely wrong, but he is not misinformed. I recall an interview of Marc Andreessen where Marc said he had to do a ton of preparation just to stand toe to toe in a debate with Thiel. If you believe that, then look for other explanations for his oddball statements. The contrarian angle seems like the right one -…

Expertise is generally pretty narrow. For instance, I heard him speak about bio and pharma about half a year ago and he made several statements that were categorically incorrect and poorly reasoned through.

This sounds like evidence that his knowledge is wide, not narrow
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