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Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by leftrightupdown »

devsquid wrote: post #22
leftrightupdown wrote: post #17

We are writing spa frontend for email marketing service in dart. No angular, react, just lots of plain dart. Strong analyzer mode is used and dartium is always in checked mode. Dart shined most when we created drag and drop html editor. We like using it anl if anyone wants to know why we used dart ask for details. Check our app at listshine.com

Yea I found just using plane Dart to work really well. I preferred it over Angular. I had an entire functioning web app in about 80kbs, including all images, html, css, and JS. That was a while back, I'm sure its only gotten better.

What i personally liked is that we write once and in 99.9% cases generated js is compatible with all browsers. Also type checking and strong analyzer mode helped catch ton of bugs. Im sure if you bet your next project on this tech you wont be sorry. Fast code and fast development with webdev batteries included.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by leftrightupdown »

devsquid wrote: post #27
ceronman wrote: post #21

You don't always have to jump to the hype train! Yes, you don't hear much about Dart here on HN, but the project is far from dead. The most important thing is that Dart works, it's stable and production ready and it's being used in production not only by Google but also by other companies. Dart is a very refreshing change for front-end development. No fatigue! Great tooling, nice language without surprises and option…

The one issue I had with Dart, was typing was optional. But at the last DartCon they announced they are creating a strong typed mode, which forces typing and type correctness and it generates higher preforming code. Yay!

i think strong typing generates same code as optional typing if you are not using dart dev compiler.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by flukus »

pseudosavant wrote: post #23
cutler wrote: post #6

Indeed.com has 0 Dart jobs by title and TIOBE is a joke. Given that Google uses about 4 languages routinely (Go, Java, Python & Dart) this is nothing more than internal back-patting with no relevance outside the Googleplex.

I don't want to dog on anyone's language, but any list that purports that Typescript is significantly less popular than Scheme, Haskell, Alice, Lisp, COBOL, Ada, Logo, and a few dozen other languages you probably haven't ever heard of, is a complete waste of time. I don't even use Typescript and even I know that especially with Angular 2 Typescript is gaining a lot of popularity and it was already doing well before t…

> I mean it isn't even on their list in the top 100. How is that possible?

I'm guessing that most people would google "angular ..." instead of "typescript ...", that's why it doesn't show up in tiobe.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by laxd »

danvasquez29 wrote: post #25
sushisource wrote: post #3

And yet, I very very rarely hear anyone talking about it? I assume it's pushed heavily internally at Google, but anecdotally it seems nigh-unused outside of Google. Am I totally off?

I honestly thought the project was either dead or terminal. I tried to adopt it for a pet project 3 years ago and never followed through, and I haven't heard much about it since. Given that what I liked about it most was types and web components, which are pretty robust now with well established tools (Typescript and React), I wonder what's the real allure in Dart as opposed to those seemingly more popular options?

Regarding Typescript vs Dart. For me, the allure in Dart is that it's a very clean and nicely designed language, as opposed to a superset of a horrible one.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by devsquid »

leftrightupdown wrote: post #31
devsquid wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea I found just using plane Dart to work really well. I preferred it over Angular. I had an entire functioning web app in about 80kbs, including all images, html, css, and JS. That was a while back, I'm sure its only gotten better.

What i personally liked is that we write once and in 99.9% cases generated js is compatible with all browsers. Also type checking and strong analyzer mode helped catch ton of bugs. Im sure if you bet your next project on this tech you wont be sorry. Fast code and fast development with webdev batteries included.

Yea actually I forgot about how slow it was to compile to JS. They are saying it should around 100MS now to do a dev compile. So its feasible to use other browsers actively during development. That is probably the biggest thing for me they announced at the Dart Con.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by guscost »

gcp wrote: post #9
unknownsavage wrote: post #7

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Yeah, this is my impression too. This is the first mention of it I think I've heard in the last year, and I'm in the web development scene. Meanwhile I seemingly can't get away from rust mentions, which seems to have people really excited.

I have the impression that Dart's lunch got eaten by TypeScript. The latter is the preferred "improved" compile-to-JS language now, and the efforts to push a Dart VM didn't get any traction outside Google, whereas WebAssembly looks like it will be the new VM standard. Doesn't leave much for Dart.

If this turns out like you say, it's interesting that both TypeScript and WebAssembly grew out of efforts to extend King JavaScript while not rocking the boat enough to scare away developers.

Re: Dart in 2016: Fastest growing language at Google, 2nd fastest in TIOBE

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Post by devsquid »

leftrightupdown wrote: post #32
devsquid wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one issue I had with Dart, was typing was optional. But at the last DartCon they announced they are creating a strong typed mode, which forces typing and type correctness and it generates higher preforming code. Yay!

i think strong typing generates same code as optional typing if you are not using dart dev compiler.

I think they mentioned some gains in the size of the compiled JS. I don't remember tho.
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