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Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Post by cobbzilla »

a3n wrote: post #4

Google has long since passed the point of critical mass and a self-sustaining reaction. These days an individual publisher needs Google much more than Google needs an individual publisher. So why should Google spend resources on customer care when, as years of HN and other sites' threads demonstrate, it doesn't matter? The individual publisher can be relied on to claw at the rock at his own expense to attempt resolut…

The funny thing is, for ad networks like Google, the publisher is not the customer. There is no incentive to treat them well. The customer is where the revenue comes from: the advertisers. For Google, publishers are just "supply". And there is a glut of supply.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Post by trprog »

cpayne wrote: post #10
TeMPOraL wrote: post #3

It's free market, isn't it? Take it or leave it - nobody forces you to use Google ad network. ;). /s At this point I'm convinced that nothing but regulation can make those big companies - on which our digital lives are more and more dependent - to provide even a modicum of customer support. Right now they don't care, because they simply don't have to - a HN headline every other week doesn't create measurable losses,…

I never really understand why comments like this get downvoted. There seems to be love for the free market. That is until the free market goes against what I want. Then the free market sucks! What if FARK was another type of business. Say it is the corner 7-11[1]. They have been there for 18 years, and their major source of customers was the big factory next door. Factory decides to either move / redesign / whatever,…

>That is until the free market goes against what I want. Then the free market sucks!

I'm not sure anyone is saying that the free market sucks. People are saying that there is no free market in some sectors and that, in the absence of a reasonably efficient free market, the least worst alternative is regulation.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Post by ksk »

I think this is from the culture at Google. To be clear, I think its perfectly fine to use AI or whatever other innovation - if it works. But to me, so many of their projects seem to be perpetually stuck in alpha/beta release mode and never seem to have all the features and polish to handle all the edge cases (which would require a TON more work).

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Post by jrnichols »

We always try to tell people to not put all their eggs in one basket. The problem here is that there is almost no other basket besides Google anymore. Or the ones that are there, are not even close because of Google's power over the online advertising industry.

I think that it's becoming the same way with email. and i'm worried that it's that way with what small businesses. The default for so many is "oh, just use Google Apps." What's the alternative? It's usually just Microsoft.

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

#38

Post by wnevets »

maxlamb wrote: post #12
wnevets wrote: post #2

Isn't there enough competition within the ad industry to just switch to a different provider?

Google is a legal monopoly, by most definitions. http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-google-monopoly-2...

>Google owns less than 3% of the global advertising market

whats their internet advertising share? Leading in search isnt the same as leading in internet advertising

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

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Post by voidlogic »

eykanal wrote: post #15
TeMPOraL wrote: post #3

It's free market, isn't it? Take it or leave it - nobody forces you to use Google ad network. ;). /s At this point I'm convinced that nothing but regulation can make those big companies - on which our digital lives are more and more dependent - to provide even a modicum of customer support. Right now they don't care, because they simply don't have to - a HN headline every other week doesn't create measurable losses,…

Because the theoretical "free market" is nothing like what actually happens in practice. The Economist had a great writeup on this a few days ago [1], but the short of it is that Google is the definitive market leader, with almost no one in second place. Moving to a different network is simply accepting that your ads will perform worse. Additionally, responding to outright fraud by Google with the statement "move els…

>They can abuse their near-monopoly of the market with almost no fear of reprisal.

What checkbox isn't Google checking to be hit by anti-trust action for its ad networks?

Re: Fark NotNewsletter: Google farked us over

#40

Post by a3n »

cobbzilla wrote: post #31
a3n wrote: post #4

Google has long since passed the point of critical mass and a self-sustaining reaction. These days an individual publisher needs Google much more than Google needs an individual publisher. So why should Google spend resources on customer care when, as years of HN and other sites' threads demonstrate, it doesn't matter? The individual publisher can be relied on to claw at the rock at his own expense to attempt resolut…

The funny thing is, for ad networks like Google, the publisher is not the customer. There is no incentive to treat them well. The customer is where the revenue comes from: the advertisers. For Google, publishers are just "supply". And there is a glut of supply.

Ah. Not being a publisher, it hadn't occurred to me that they're a product just like us.

Always follow the money.

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