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Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by seanwilson »

I can understand how the aspect of the control Google has over AMP isn't ideal but you can't deny AMP sites are a great user experience on mobile. Pages tend to load for me in less than 0.5 seconds even on my mobile connection. For other sites, pages can take 10 to 30 seconds to load, have pop-ups, image loading causes the page the jump up/down etc.

Making sites with small download sizes and quick rendering is a very involved process. Google have made a tool and set of guidelines that force developers to use current best practices in a way you're just not going to get by hoping all developers everywhere do it themselves. It's also a much easier sell to management (i.e. "Is our site AMP compatible?") compared to trying to push for each individual best practice to be followed which can individually only have a small benefit.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

#32

Post by lovich »

mbenjaminsmith wrote: post #21
lovich wrote: post #10

Like the other commenters here, I really disliked amp for a variety of reason such as the bar on top and the inability to easily link the main version of the page. However, I'be come to feel that we've brought this on ourselves as Web developers by making every website incredibly bloated and only possible to use on high speed connections. I've spent the past month in thailand on a much slower connection and the only…

What part of Thailand is that? I get around ~50M/s on my phone. I haven't checked my home cable in a while but I stream HD video (Netflix / YouTube) to several computers / TVs at once w/o issue. > The new preconnect API is used heavily to ensure HTTP requests are as fast as possible when they are made. With this, a page can be rendered before the user explicitly states they’d like to navigate to it; the page might al…

I'm near phitsanulok now but had the same experience over the country. It might be because I'm using a tmobile sim through their partnership with local providers as I have seen the locals with much better speed in the city centers. The second you get out of the city and drop down to 3g or whatever the one below that is called, the locals have the same Web experience I have had

The stamp of approval for sub n seconds as a benchmark does sound like a better approach but at this point google is acting like a parent whose told their children to clean their room, or the parent is going to clean the room by tossing everything out. I get the impression that Google only cares about the results when it comes to making the Web faster, and doesn't care about anyone else's costs at this point

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

#33

Post by username223 »

QuercusMax wrote: post #24
bastawhiz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with you. There are so many things that infuriate me about regular sites: - Images not having defined heights, leading to content jumping up as I'm reading - Ads loading and unloading, leading to the page jittering up and down erratically, making the content unreadable - Auto-playing videos: some start playing audio, some have the audio muted but still pause any music I have playing - Those ads tha…

Even more annoying: when the entire article loads, I read the first couple paragraphs, THEN it hides everything behind the "Read Full Story" link! It's infuriating! AMP gives a great user experience on mobile, at least speed-wise. I haven't had any real complaints as a user. (Disclaimer: I work for a non-Google Alphabet company.)

> Disclaimer: I work for a non-Google Alphabet company.

I.e. you work for Google, but not in advertising. The attempted rebranding has been awfully heavy-handed lately.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

#34

Post by QuercusMax »

username223 wrote: post #33
QuercusMax wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more annoying: when the entire article loads, I read the first couple paragraphs, THEN it hides everything behind the "Read Full Story" link! It's infuriating! AMP gives a great user experience on mobile, at least speed-wise. I haven't had any real complaints as a user. (Disclaimer: I work for a non-Google Alphabet company.)

> Disclaimer: I work for a non-Google Alphabet company. I.e. you work for Google, but not in advertising. The attempted rebranding has been awfully heavy-handed lately.

My paycheck doesn't say Google. Call it rebranding if you like.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by ebola1717 »

seanwilson wrote: post #31

I can understand how the aspect of the control Google has over AMP isn't ideal but you can't deny AMP sites are a great user experience on mobile. Pages tend to load for me in less than 0.5 seconds even on my mobile connection. For other sites, pages can take 10 to 30 seconds to load, have pop-ups, image loading causes the page the jump up/down etc. Making sites with small download sizes and quick rendering is a very…

I would agree, but most of the time I click on an AMP link, it spins and doesn't load. I think it's usually reddit links, but still, that's not okay.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

#36

Post by themodelplumber »

mbenjaminsmith wrote: post #21
lovich wrote: post #10

Like the other commenters here, I really disliked amp for a variety of reason such as the bar on top and the inability to easily link the main version of the page. However, I'be come to feel that we've brought this on ourselves as Web developers by making every website incredibly bloated and only possible to use on high speed connections. I've spent the past month in thailand on a much slower connection and the only…

What part of Thailand is that? I get around ~50M/s on my phone. I haven't checked my home cable in a while but I stream HD video (Netflix / YouTube) to several computers / TVs at once w/o issue. > The new preconnect API is used heavily to ensure HTTP requests are as fast as possible when they are made. With this, a page can be rendered before the user explicitly states they’d like to navigate to it; the page might al…

> at least deliver better user experience

This is what it comes down to. AMP is failing at that.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by ninkendo »

colinbartlett wrote: post #6

AMP is absolutely infuriating. I constantly share links via iOS extensions, for example Slack, and AMP gives me this ridiculous google.com link. I've thought about building an adblock style blocking mechanism for these links. But it seems I'd end up blocking an increasingly large percentage of the search results.

No joke, it became enough of an issue for me that I ended up switching to DuckDuckGo on mobile. It's been around 3 months now.

Google really really really needs to fix amp links.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by zukee »

clowd wrote: post #23
Lazare wrote: post #12

As a user, I've found AMP results to be invariable an excellent user experience on mobile. I will always click an AMP link over a non-AMP link, when on mobile, because I know the AMP link will load quickly and be usable, and the odds are good the non-AMP link will not. Apparently this is a minority view around here. :)

What I find annoying is that searching Google on a desktop or laptop still returns a lot of AMP results. They're supposed to be Accelerated Mobile Pages, it would be nice if they'd filter them out when searching from a standard PC.

What browser are you using? You see results marked as AMP when searching from desktop?

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

#39

Post by technion »

The thing about AMP is that it takes work. You cannot just install an AMP plugin and expect your existing website to suddenly serve AMP.

However, with certain CMS's, that's exactly how things are marketed. So what we're seeing is people go off and buy themes or whatever to make their website look the way they want, then they install some plugin and say "done". And then they are taken by surprise when, on mobile, their site either doesn't load at all, or looks nothing like the "premium theme" they paid for.

FWIW, I'm glad I moved my blog to AMP. I feel like it loads pretty well instantly on and I feel somewhat future proofed.

Would I encourage a less technical user to go through this? Not really.

Also, I wish Google would work better with integrating their own tooling. Getting lower scores on Google Pagespeed after enabling AMP because of the AMP CDN configuration is somewhat absurd.

Re: You can't disable Google AMP

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Post by detaro »

technion wrote: post #39

The thing about AMP is that it takes work. You cannot just install an AMP plugin and expect your existing website to suddenly serve AMP. However, with certain CMS's, that's exactly how things are marketed. So what we're seeing is people go off and buy themes or whatever to make their website look the way they want, then they install some plugin and say "done". And then they are taken by surprise when, on mobile, thei…

The question then of course is: why is the non-AMP version of your blog slower, and could you have improved that with the same effort? Or is it just that people coming there via Google get Googles CDN which is faster?
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