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Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by concinds »

cglouch wrote: post #9

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it does bother anyone that the NYT title calls it "election hacking"? To me that sort of slyly suggests that the actual election / voting process was hacked, which as far as I know did not happen. Perhaps "election-related hacking" would be more accurate. I don't mean to say the DNC and other such hacks weren't a big deal, but I worry that people who just read titles are getting th…

Ever since the election, the media has been trying to confuse people about Russia's "hacking", and keep using the phrase "hacked the election", so frequently and rigorously that it's obviously deliberate.

And it worked: 50% of Democrats believe Russia hacked the election results (that's right, the results themselves, not just the DNC) according to the latest YouGov poll.

The media is no longer proving itself worthy of the respect it has.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by vetinari »

empath75 wrote: post #16
vetinari wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good start would be to provide some evidence. For now, it's the same 'trust us, the Iraqis have WMDs' again.

That report is due in january.

So keep the accusations private until you can present the evidence together with the accusations. Otherwise, it is you massaging the public opinion and the report won't matter anyway.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by colordrops »

concinds wrote: post #31
cglouch wrote: post #9

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it does bother anyone that the NYT title calls it "election hacking"? To me that sort of slyly suggests that the actual election / voting process was hacked, which as far as I know did not happen. Perhaps "election-related hacking" would be more accurate. I don't mean to say the DNC and other such hacks weren't a big deal, but I worry that people who just read titles are getting th…

Ever since the election, the media has been trying to confuse people about Russia's "hacking", and keep using the phrase "hacked the election", so frequently and rigorously that it's obviously deliberate. And it worked: 50% of Democrats believe Russia hacked the election results (that's right, the results themselves, not just the DNC) according to the latest YouGov poll. The media is no longer proving itself worthy o…

> The media is no longer proving itself worthy of the respect it has.

They've been at this forever. It's just that the truth is leaking through alternative and social media so a lot more people aren't as fooled anymore.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by mtgx »

cglouch wrote: post #9

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it does bother anyone that the NYT title calls it "election hacking"? To me that sort of slyly suggests that the actual election / voting process was hacked, which as far as I know did not happen. Perhaps "election-related hacking" would be more accurate. I don't mean to say the DNC and other such hacks weren't a big deal, but I worry that people who just read titles are getting th…

This is why even NYT lost is reputation and credibility. It can't help itself not take the Democrats' side.

Calling it "election hacking" could very well fit into some definitions of "fake news". Will Facebook ban this article now?

This is a good example of why "banning fake news" is a terrible idea, because we don't know whose definition of "fake news" will be implemented. It's also very difficult to pinpoint exactly what fake news is or what is the "optimum percentage" of falseness in an article before it deserves a ban...and so on and so forth.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by golergka »

finid wrote: post #19

So 35 Russian diplomats have been given 72 hours to leave the country, and 2 of their properties will be closed - one in DC and the other in San Francisco. Well, if history is any guide, expect Russia to return the favor. Question is, how long will they wait before announcing that 35 American diplomats have 72 hours to leave Russia?

Why would americans bother with such big diplomatic presence in Russia to begin with?

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by mejari »

toehead2000 wrote: post #13

So is this how US politics will be from now on? Every president spends their lame duck period doing everything possible to sabotage the next guy (if they're the other party)? I seem to recall GWB having a bit more decorum than Obama here but maybe I'm wrong. Is the political climate really more poisonous than ever or does it just seem that way?

What action has Obama done that can be seen as "sabotaging the next guy"?

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by colordrops »

serf wrote: post #22
cglouch wrote: post #9

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it does bother anyone that the NYT title calls it "election hacking"? To me that sort of slyly suggests that the actual election / voting process was hacked, which as far as I know did not happen. Perhaps "election-related hacking" would be more accurate. I don't mean to say the DNC and other such hacks weren't a big deal, but I worry that people who just read titles are getting th…

NYT is a media outlet that requires additional personal scrutiny, espescially with regards to any active U.S. government talking points. I'm not the biggest Chomsky fan, but I feel a lot of his opinion about NYT [0] are probably right on. [0]: http://www.salon.com/2015/05/25/noam_chomsky_the_new_york_ti...

You don't need to read Chomsky to have seen the numerous and obvious slanted articles and puff pieces that the NY Times has published over the years. The fact that all these media outlets even explicitly endorse candidates is crazy and the antithesis of ethical journalism.

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by noobermin »

concinds wrote: post #31
cglouch wrote: post #9

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but it does bother anyone that the NYT title calls it "election hacking"? To me that sort of slyly suggests that the actual election / voting process was hacked, which as far as I know did not happen. Perhaps "election-related hacking" would be more accurate. I don't mean to say the DNC and other such hacks weren't a big deal, but I worry that people who just read titles are getting th…

Ever since the election, the media has been trying to confuse people about Russia's "hacking", and keep using the phrase "hacked the election", so frequently and rigorously that it's obviously deliberate. And it worked: 50% of Democrats believe Russia hacked the election results (that's right, the results themselves, not just the DNC) according to the latest YouGov poll. The media is no longer proving itself worthy o…

Here you go[0]... That's not "50% believe." 35% thinking "Probably true" sounds to me like they believe it's possible. A nearly equal percent think it's "Probably not true" (32%)

[0] http://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/rh.jpg

Re: Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking

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Post by giarc »

finid wrote: post #19

So 35 Russian diplomats have been given 72 hours to leave the country, and 2 of their properties will be closed - one in DC and the other in San Francisco. Well, if history is any guide, expect Russia to return the favor. Question is, how long will they wait before announcing that 35 American diplomats have 72 hours to leave Russia?

Small correction regarding facilities.

>In addition, the State Department announced the closing of two “recreational facilities” — one in New York, another in Maryland

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