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Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by casualstroller »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I run OSX in VM just for RAW Photo Processor, which in my opinion the best RAW converter out there developed by photographers for photographers. http://www.raw-photo-processor.com/RPP/Overview.html

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by exception_e »

exception_e wrote: post #28
JorgeGT wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

It is very interesting. I don't want to intrude on their thread, but if others here vouch for this technique I'll politely ask them to look into the following: - https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk... - http://boot2docker.io/ ...has anyone here ever used this approach with nix apps that need to run on Windows "natively"? Writing a powershell script to silently install boot2docker with this sp…

Thanks sz4kerto. I'm glad I got some thoughts here before posting that in their PR (I obviously won't post it now because of the points you brought up).

I guess a user that would be comfortable with b2d or vbox would just have those running anyways!

Note: for you question about X, please check out https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk...

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by brudgers »

vr46 wrote: post #8

I am going to tentatively give this a go after ten years or so of Lightroom. The major problem apart from learning a new application is of course dealing with ten years of Lightroom catalogues and the metadata they contain. Further updates as events unfold ;)

Darktable stores 'catalogs' in SQLite tables. When I poked around for fun with sqlite3, the schemas seemed relatively straightforward. If the catalog data from lightroom can be wrangled into a reasonable format, it may be possible to convert it (famous last words).

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by WhitneyLand »

Would be nice to add state of the art AI for auto tagging people, places, objects, etc.

And just to dream: Multimaster database exists local, cloud, other machines, etc. Optional auto cloud sync, or partial, or just proxies.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by cs702 »

geppetto wrote: post #2

IMHO it's the best FOSS photo application out there. It's cross platform, fast, stable and manages the whole photo workflow (RAW developing, photo management, non destructive editing). Thanks darktable folks!

Agree. I would add three more qualities to your list:

* Fully programmable, via a nicely document Lua interface: http://www.darktable.org/lua-api/index.html.php -- you can automate all kinds of workflows.

* Truly innovative, with clever new features unavailable in other applications, including Lightroom. For example, five years ago they added a powerful new "equalizer" module: http://www.darktable.org/2011/11/darktable-and-research/ (google "darktable equazlier" for usage examples).

* Always improving: I've been using it for years and the developers keep finding ways to make it better all the time.

Congratulations on another great release!

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by uniclaude »

geppetto wrote: post #2

IMHO it's the best FOSS photo application out there. It's cross platform, fast, stable and manages the whole photo workflow (RAW developing, photo management, non destructive editing). Thanks darktable folks!

Definitely agree!

I make a substantial part of my income (just enough to pay rent) selling photography, and I recently dropped ps and lightroom in favor of Darktable. The change didn't happen in a day, but Darktable is so good I don't think I'll ever need to come back to Adobe. Notable plus, I can now spend most of my time on Linux, no more need to use my Macbook for photo work.

The interface is not really good for smaller displays and resolutions (adobe stuff was better on my 11 inch mba), but on anything with more than 1280 x 960 px, it's great.

Congratulations to the Darktable team for this 2.2 release!

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by uniclaude »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I was facing the same dilemma, and photo is a source of income to me. I made the jump, use Linux and Darktable every day, and experienced no frustration at all. I didn't try to run macOS in a vm though.

To answer your questions : it is quick, and I find it to be a very good replacement for lightroom. To me, it's actually easier to extend than adobe software, mostly because Lua is very simple and the documentation is crystal clear.

The best advice I could give here would be to give yourself a good dozen of hours of deliberate practice on Darktable, maybe more if you're into very advanced editing, but no more than a week.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by matwood »

vr46 wrote: post #27
alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I've just given it a hammering today and while I'd love to love it, DT is not going to give the LR team sleepless nights. It feels quick, but the interface lacks the silky refinement and there's a lack of coherence in the workflow. Plus the correction effects work poorly, such as shadow correction which affects regions outside shadows in one direction, not all shadows in another. The workflow coherence is based on th…

I too am shackled to LR and OSX. I've tried DT a few times, but it just does not quite hit the ease of use of my current LR workflow. Plus, I do not want to recreate/buy the filter packs I have made/bought. I also do not want to lose years of edits across thousands of pictures.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by vvanders »

JorgeGT wrote: post #22
wtallis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been renewed work on a clean Windows port in recent months: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/1327

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

Wow you weren't kidding.

> It may be better to go help out some other free software project that already had the misfortune of working on that platform...

I understand their points about maintenance, but telling someone to go work on something else rather than keeping an experimental branch around, sheesh.

As someone who appreciates open source and works primarily on Windows I really wish they had a better attitude. Take a look at Rust or Elixir, fantastic communities and the software is better for it. I'm sure that Darktable has some interesting things but based on what I saw in that thread I think I'll be sticking to Lightroom.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by digler999 »

vvanders wrote: post #39
JorgeGT wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

Wow you weren't kidding. > It may be better to go help out some other free software project that already had the misfortune of working on that platform... I understand their points about maintenance, but telling someone to go work on something else rather than keeping an experimental branch around, sheesh. As someone who appreciates open source and works primarily on Windows I really wish they had a better attitude.…

I've only read that quote, but to me that doesn't seem like a rude thing to say. I interpret it as "This windows branch is awful, it might be better for you to abandon that effort and work on something with more potential". I hear it as criticizing the code, not the person.

Edit: I read a little more, looks like the devs were upset because windows isn't a free platform, and they didn't want darktable's reputation marred by a buggy port.

> This will be very bad for darktable reputation

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