Earlier quoted context omitted.
Riot is most comparable to Slack or Discord. It has chat rooms. It supports voice, image posts, file transfer, etc. It stores conversation history. You can private message people. Matrix is a generalized protocol for decentralized and federated communications; it's agnostic to the application layer provided by Riot. Something Matrix doesn't have, but is on the issue backlog, is support for email-esque thread contexts…
Discord/slack isn't federated, is it?
Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
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Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#32This topic has been beaten to death on HN over the last year (other people can provide links to discussions, with Moxie participating). I think something worth keeping in mind is that almost everyone who works in secure messaging agrees on one thing: that electronic mail is not the future of secure communication. There's no fundamental reason why that should be the case. The store-and-forward model used by SMTP could…
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#33This topic has been beaten to death on HN over the last year (other people can provide links to discussions, with Moxie participating). I think something worth keeping in mind is that almost everyone who works in secure messaging agrees on one thing: that electronic mail is not the future of secure communication. There's no fundamental reason why that should be the case. The store-and-forward model used by SMTP could…
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
End-to-end encryption. Even if you encrypt email with PGP, which no one has come up with a satisfactorily easy interface for, it leaks a lot of metadata. Riot gives essentially the same privacy guarantees as Signal, but with email-like federation.
PGP can be used to encrypt at the ends, in which case it is end-to-end encryption. So that's not a different feature. Care to share what you mean by PGP leaks a lot of metadata? You might be right, I'm just not aware of such details.
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
End-to-end encryption. Even if you encrypt email with PGP, which no one has come up with a satisfactorily easy interface for, it leaks a lot of metadata. Riot gives essentially the same privacy guarantees as Signal, but with email-like federation.
PGP can be used to encrypt at the ends, in which case it is end-to-end encryption. So that's not a different feature. Care to share what you mean by PGP leaks a lot of metadata? You might be right, I'm just not aware of such details.
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#36I believe Riot is the future not because of its security(its attention to such is a great, great bonus) but because it's positioned itself so well as a credible successor to IRC.
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#37You can run your own private Signal service with OpenWhisperSystems' tools [1].
It's also worth noting that Signal - as a protocol - could easily be federated. (As others have mentioned, Moxie has chimed in on why the app is centralized [2]).
If confederated messaging is important, why not use the existing Signal protocol implementations, (including the X3DH key exchange, ratcheting protocol, etc), which is all F/LOSS, and has already been widely reviewed (as the article mentions)?
[1] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/libsignal-service-java
[2] https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#38Can anyone justify why they are necessary?
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#39The permissions Signal asks for do seem excessive (both on iPhone and even more so on Android). Can anyone justify why they are necessary?
https://support.whispersystems.org/hc/en-us/articles/2125358...
Re: Encrypted messengers: Riot, not Signal, is the future
#40This topic has been beaten to death on HN over the last year (other people can provide links to discussions, with Moxie participating). I think something worth keeping in mind is that almost everyone who works in secure messaging agrees on one thing: that electronic mail is not the future of secure communication. There's no fundamental reason why that should be the case. The store-and-forward model used by SMTP could…
"non-federated" and "secure" in the same sentence is a joke. Signal's other problem is Google Play Services which has absolutely no place in a supposedly secure system.