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Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

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Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

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and these same people vote in people that shut down the epa and do everything possible to poison their children. let them get what they asked for.

and these same people

You know better than that, or rather, you know that you don't know that. Hard enough to get the water quality data, apparently, let alone join that to voter records.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

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post #25

It is hard to sue government. It is even harder to make them lose their jobs. When it comes to compensation they will simply use our own money to pay back. Utilities remains a major pain in USA partly because of the ridiculous government control which invariably leads to corruption. I have been exclusively using distilled water in Sunnyvale for last 3 years. Water in Sunnyvale has dangerous levels of pesticides if no…

I don't see any reason to think totally privatizing and deregulating utilities would be any safer.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#33
It looks like California is relatively clean on this scale, but what about the Superfund sites? I feel like those are gray areas that get much less attention than I would expect. With former semiconductor fab sites and former military sites getting increasingly developed with sometimes only a few feet of topsoil removed for cleanup (plus some kind of shielding material?), and a seeming lack of hard data for long term health impact, count me among the concerned.

(happy to have my worries put to rest by HN'ers!)

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#34
i tried to tell people vaccines are little ufos that cause breast cancer and vagina cancer and testicle cancer

its very scary how many disease-rate graphs go straight up since the vaccine rate was 7x'd in 1975: abortion, miscarriage, retardation, autism, deformity, vagina cancer, prostate cancer, testicular cancer, lower sperm count, breast cancer, adhd, chrons, asperbergers, spinal diseases, learning disability, parkinsons and dementia, als, alzheimers, various other learning disabilities deformities and abnormalitys

    searching for a catalyst: and vaccine rate further 4x'ed in 1980, and 4x'ed in 1990, and 4x'ed in 2000
they still just laugh and say shit like that cant happen, and im making it up (article on it forth coming, with ~25 graphs)

the data was removed from reddit, hackernews, and 4chan, without reason

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

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This is a public health disaster. It's tough to really fathom the number of children across the country that will suffer mental and behavioral problems for life because of this. Why are there not more lawsuits? Is the scope of the damage too difficult to quantify, or the negligent parties too diffuse/remote to sue? As much as our litigation-based culture is vilified, it can help spur action by changing the cost/benef…

Too diffuse. This is a classic "principal-agent" problem.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#36
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my area (Western PA), the water authority is working to replace lead service lines, but only to the curb. Unfortunately, it is up to the homeowner to replace the line from the curb to the house. This is quite expensive, and depending on the topography, requires a significant amount of digging. This is not an excuse, but I think it's important to point out in some cases, the issues with lead are on private property…

Wait, what? They have actual lead pipes for drinking water? That's insane.

Lead was the common material for pipes until the 1950s and was only banned in the US in the mid 1980's. Most of the infrastructure in the US was built during the industrial revolution around the turn of the century, so most of that infrastructure is lead. If the water is treated properly (with very low levels of extremely cheap chemicals), these pipes are completely safe. It was estimated that spending $150/day in Flint would have prevented the crisis.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#37

This is a public health disaster. It's tough to really fathom the number of children across the country that will suffer mental and behavioral problems for life because of this. Why are there not more lawsuits? Is the scope of the damage too difficult to quantify, or the negligent parties too diffuse/remote to sue? As much as our litigation-based culture is vilified, it can help spur action by changing the cost/benef…

I'd bet that's down the road. Only recently has testing your water for lead/etc become cheap, easy, and relevant. If you tested your water for lead 10 years ago society would probably label you paranoid - still might in many places.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#38
I remember reading years ago about how water utilities were replacing chlorine with chloramine because it was cheaper. From what I understand, chloramine is more corrosive and it erodes the lining in the lead pipes. Does anyone know if it's standard practice for water companies to do their quality sampling at the taps?

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

#39
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flint made news because the problem was new. Flint water used to be safe, and then it became unsafe. There are a lot of problems nobody bothers with because they're not new problems.

Flint also made news because local control was subverted by the state to make the decision.

Not the state as a generic entity, Republicans specifically, neocons with a very specific ideological privatization agenda practicing good old disaster capitalism by wrecking the state budget then claiming the need to privatize and cut budgets. It's important to point out what actually happened (is happening, will continue to happen), and not gloss over it by pretending it's a generic government problem.

Re: Thousands of U.S. locales where lead poisoning is worse than in Flint

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post #37

This is a public health disaster. It's tough to really fathom the number of children across the country that will suffer mental and behavioral problems for life because of this. Why are there not more lawsuits? Is the scope of the damage too difficult to quantify, or the negligent parties too diffuse/remote to sue? As much as our litigation-based culture is vilified, it can help spur action by changing the cost/benef…

I'd bet that's down the road. Only recently has testing your water for lead/etc become cheap, easy, and relevant. If you tested your water for lead 10 years ago society would probably label you paranoid - still might in many places.

> If you tested your water for lead 10 years ago society would probably label you paranoid

New York City sends you a free lead test kit, if you ask for it [1].

[1] http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/1266/water-lead-te...

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