>It is time to rethink the “good leader” prototype of being masculine, dictatorial, and charismatic. Good luck, there's a reason those attributes are dominant.
Yes, confirmation bias and superstition.
Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?
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#32This is an important topic, but as often happens, the article just treads the same old themes. It's looking for answers in the usual places, when it's not clear the answers are there. First of all, Asian Americans are still overrepresented in tech leadership positions. Just less than they are overrepresented in tech positions in general. So looking for a negative (discriminatory) effect may be the wrong thing - we ma…
> "Asian Americans are still overrepresented in tech leadership positions." No, the article clearly states that they are under-represented. It cites 2015 report on diversity looking at 5 Silicon Valley companies: Google, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, LinkedIn, and Yahoo. The report finds that, "Asians and Asian Americans are well represented in lower-level positions but underrepresented at management and executive levels.…
I think the point the gp was making is that 14% is over-representation given the demographics of the country at large. That doesn't discount that they are relatively under-represented given the demographics of the company.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasn't she on the board of Reddit? Making her a chairman (or is the PC way to say that chairwoman and you're trying to make this a sex issue)
Ok, fine, here is a link to a comment from a year ago that is both racist and sexist: https://www.reddit.com/r/opieandanthony/comments/36mx0n/redd... The Chairman Pao nickname was used to draw comparisons between Ellen Pao and Chairman Mao. Yeah, not racist at all.
How is this racist? Pretty much all of us Asians resemble Chairman Mao near the end of his life if you catch us early enough in the morning. (Especially if hung over.) It's much the same as pretty much almost all babies resembling Winston Churchill. You can't draw any comedic comparisons with any famous Asian, or it's racist?
You know, Asians are normal, ordinary, "default" people too.
Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?
#34How many white or black do you see in a leadership position in China ? In India ? In Thailand ? This is not an american thing.
What does this even mean? You realize people of Asian descent can be born in here in the U.S. right?
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#35America has this weird obsession with race and dividing everything by race. Since when "Asian" is a race? It's so weird that people in US need to choose their race on a form when applying for college or even for a job, or on a census. So you can't be just american, you need to be Asian american or something american, like being american is not enough to constitute a nationality or an identity.
The US has a long and nasty history of racism. We need to collect racial data in order to see if we're fixing it or not. To refuse on principal to collect race data in education or criminal justice would obscure real problems and be akin to burying our head in the sand.
This problem is not limited to the US. China, India, and the rest of the world has and have had the same problem here.
Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might not be, but consider the demographics. Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the population (according to Wikipedia). In any of the countries listed, white/black people surely make up a much, much smaller percentage.
It is inaccurate to use the total 5.6% here. What percentage of the 5.6% depicts Asian males who are an appropriate age to hold a leadership position? I am certain the percentage is drastically lower; 0 - 1% perhaps.
That's fair, but then that "rule" would also apply to the number of white/black people in the countries listed, making it lower. Doesn't make the point of considering demographics any less valid.
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#37I'm not a business leader by any means so keep that in mind. I'm an Asian, and I don't see this as a problem tbh. American leaders have, historically, tend to be white men (think the first 49 presidents). We're definitely starting to see diversity in leadership positions. Obama, Sundar Pichai of Google, Satya Nadella of Microsoft, Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao of Reddit are some examples that come to my mind. Even Ellen Pao,…
> American leaders have, historically, tend to be white men (think the first 49 presidents).
You mean 43 US presidents. President Obama is number 44.
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#38Why do we expect uniform outcomes from diverse people?
Say two groups are different enough that, when you put them together, you call that "diversity". Why do you expect them to be statistically identical when you divide the groups apart again?
Prejudice in career advancement and other important decisions is bad, of course. People should be judged on their own merits, not group statistics. But that doesn't mean that group statistical differences are necessarily due to prejudice.
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#39How many white or black do you see in a leadership position in China ? In India ? In Thailand ? This is not an american thing.
I'd place a bet that relative to the Chinese, Indian, or Thai citizenry, whites are overrepresented in management positions.
And talk about comparing apples and oranges - India is less than 3% "non-brown" including SE/E Asian, black, and white. China, 7%. Thailand, 1-2%. The US is >35% non-white, which is why under-representation shows and matters so much. Chinese/Indian/Thai management and government look a lot like their populations, whereas American equivalents do not.
Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?
#40I'm not a business leader by any means so keep that in mind. I'm an Asian, and I don't see this as a problem tbh. American leaders have, historically, tend to be white men (think the first 49 presidents). We're definitely starting to see diversity in leadership positions. Obama, Sundar Pichai of Google, Satya Nadella of Microsoft, Yishan Wong/Ellen Pao of Reddit are some examples that come to my mind. Even Ellen Pao,…
2 of those examples are Indians, and the same corpus of research has shown that they face differing sets of stereotypes.
There's no way of denying that there is a pronounced dearth of East Asian leadership in tech relative to the substantial number of East Asians working in the field.