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Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by jbob2000 »

xroche wrote: post #7
1024core wrote: post #3

I am so fucking tired of the DEA and the joke it has become. And I will also blame Obama for continuing this mess: as someone who smoked pot heavily in his youth (and still turned out OK), for his administration to continue this lie that cannabis is some super gateway drug and has no medicinal value, is shameful. Science, bitches! Put aside your religious biases and ask: What does science say? /rant

Reason: the DEA will lose power with less regulated substances. The only goal of some bureaucrats is to collect power, not only because it allows to have a better pay, but because mediocre people are inherently attracted to power itself.

They won't just lose power, the whole agency is dead if marijuana is legalized. 82% of illicit drug users are marijuana users (https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-...). If you legalize weed, there's 82% less work for the DEA to do.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by steve-howard »

rubyn00bie wrote: post #11

As the article says, there's nothing really new here. It's more so just making it formal instead of letting people know by having the DEA knock down their door to find out. From the article: "There is no major change in law brought about by the Register item. Rather, it serves to clarify and reinforce the DEA’s position on all cannabis extracts, including CBD oil." I was shocked people were selling CBD oils thinking…

CBD has absolutely no recreational appeal, so if you followed intuition rather than calling a lawyer it would make sense that it didn't fall under rules that consider marijuana a drug with a high potential for abuse.

That said, I'd hope anyone extracting and selling the stuff as a business would do their due diligence.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by digler999 »

chimeracoder wrote: post #17
TenOhms wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow the money. Pharma has a lot of it, and they're willing to invest in politics to keep what they have and get even more.

> Follow the money. Pharma has a lot of it, and they're willing to invest in politics to keep what they have and get even more. I don't think it's so simple. Big Tobacco also has a lot of money, and they have even more of an incentive for the federal ban on marijuana to be lifted. They can't really touch it while it's in this grey zone, but it's a huge amount of money that they're itching to get their hands on.

Dont forget alcohol either. A dose of Indica has little mentally-intoxicating effect but a similar muscle-relaxing effect as a pint or 2 of beer (at least for me ), just no calories or potential for dependency.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by chimeracoder »

Retric wrote: post #23
chimeracoder wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Follow the money. Pharma has a lot of it, and they're willing to invest in politics to keep what they have and get even more. I don't think it's so simple. Big Tobacco also has a lot of money, and they have even more of an incentive for the federal ban on marijuana to be lifted. They can't really touch it while it's in this grey zone, but it's a huge amount of money that they're itching to get their hands on.

Tobacco is small compared to Pharma. The average american spends over 1,000$ per year on prescription drugs.

> Tobacco is small compared to Pharma. The average american spends over 1,000$ per year on prescription drugs.

Yes, but medical marijuana is a lot less important to pharmaceutical companies than recreational marijuana is to tobacco companies. Pharmaceutical companies care less about medical marijuana these days than you might think.

And it's not so simple, because it's not so easy to see how money gets directed. For example, Altria is a massive, diversified company (albeit less so since Kraft Foods was split off). They likely see their investment in smokeless tobacco ("e-cigarettes") as a lateral move to help them corner the marijuana market once it's legalized. They also see it as a hedge against the decades-long drop in tobacco usage. But which is it? The answer is "both" - weighing those against each other is tough. And it gets even more tough when you try to consider how much they would have considered the loss of the tobacco business to be a threat back in 2006, when their business also included production of cookies and macaroni & cheese.

These incentives are oftentimes conflicting even within the same company, so from the outside, we can't just say "well, industry $X is larger than industry $Y, so they will get their way". They have to decide that the issue at hand is actually more important to them, which isn't so obvious, and that's even before you get into the fact that those industries may actually overlap.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by digitalneal »

tobltobs wrote: post #10
1024core wrote: post #6

Exactly! Yet another politician who goes against common sense and does the exact opposite of what he said on the campaign trail. And people wonder why Trump won?!? Edit: Are there people on HN who'll downvote anything with the string "Trump" in it? Not that I care about downvotes (it's just an int in some volatile memory on some server), but I'm surprised people would downvote without even reading.

"And people wonder why Trump won?!?" Because they where so dumb to believe the rubbish Trump said?

Trump also doesn't drink, so I don't see him being the leader in relaxing vice laws.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by rubyn00bie »

steve-howard wrote: post #32
rubyn00bie wrote: post #11

As the article says, there's nothing really new here. It's more so just making it formal instead of letting people know by having the DEA knock down their door to find out. From the article: "There is no major change in law brought about by the Register item. Rather, it serves to clarify and reinforce the DEA’s position on all cannabis extracts, including CBD oil." I was shocked people were selling CBD oils thinking…

CBD has absolutely no recreational appeal, so if you followed intuition rather than calling a lawyer it would make sense that it didn't fall under rules that consider marijuana a drug with a high potential for abuse. That said, I'd hope anyone extracting and selling the stuff as a business would do their due diligence.

Mostly for clarification, I was thinking as a government entity which classifies marijuana as a schedule 1 offense and turns public health issues into criminal ones.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by pasquinelli »

jklinger410 wrote: post #16
0xfeba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And people wonder why Trump won?!? The same Trump who's been back-tracking and 'reconsidering' all his campaign promises before he's even spent one day in office? The same people who think that a billionaire placing other billionaires in his cabinet is somehow an "outsider" to the elites and going to help them?

IIRC Trump won before he started backing out of his campaign promises.

No one has a reason to take trump's promises seriously.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by LordKano »

1024core wrote: post #3

I am so fucking tired of the DEA and the joke it has become. And I will also blame Obama for continuing this mess: as someone who smoked pot heavily in his youth (and still turned out OK), for his administration to continue this lie that cannabis is some super gateway drug and has no medicinal value, is shameful. Science, bitches! Put aside your religious biases and ask: What does science say? /rant

I agree but it's not just Obama.

Bill Clinton admits that he "tried" to smoke it, I don't think that anyone truly believes that he only made one attempt. George W Bush likely did and at the very least, socialized with people who did.

All three of the Boomer presidents are in the same boat and before them, George HW Bush's life was saved by hemp. It was used in the webbing of the parachute that he used during WWII.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by tammer »

jbob2000 wrote: post #31
xroche wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reason: the DEA will lose power with less regulated substances. The only goal of some bureaucrats is to collect power, not only because it allows to have a better pay, but because mediocre people are inherently attracted to power itself.

They won't just lose power, the whole agency is dead if marijuana is legalized. 82% of illicit drug users are marijuana users ( https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-... ). If you legalize weed, there's 82% less work for the DEA to do.

The elephant in the room regarding legalization is the overburdened prison system. As we saw with the recent Attica anniversary strikes, organized prisoner resistance is a huge threat to the security and economic status quo. Nothing would galvanize resistance like being incarcerated for a crime which is no longer illegal.

Therefore in a more liberal climate I would expect to see progressive access laws continue to be available to non-impoverished white populations, with the federal schedule remaining intact. Now, I simply expect a return to the old strategies for corralling free labor.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by delecti »

jklinger410 wrote: post #16
0xfeba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And people wonder why Trump won?!? The same Trump who's been back-tracking and 'reconsidering' all his campaign promises before he's even spent one day in office? The same people who think that a billionaire placing other billionaires in his cabinet is somehow an "outsider" to the elites and going to help them?

IIRC Trump won before he started backing out of his campaign promises.

But he started backing out of his campaign promises before even taking office.
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