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Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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Post by abakker »

edblarney wrote: post #20
balabaster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but he's a bit of a paradox in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else. Given some of the positions he's filled, with some of the personalities he's chosen, to pick a team that's clearly liberal and forward thinking team in this aspect vs. (anecdotally, I haven't read the actual evidence supporting this) the very staunch flat earth, climate denial, intelligent design type conser…

"in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else." Musk or Trump? :) Musk might be liberal on some kind of social issues, but he's more of a libertarian than anything, he's not remotely some kind of 'bernie' guy. Musk told his wife, as they were having their 'first dance at the wedding' - that 'he's the alpha' in the relationship. Does that sound progressive? Or how about dumping his wife…

Evidence that Musk has not "the faintest grasp of economics"? I'm not sure that you can make that claim about anyone who has a company that they created that is worth >$1bn.

Also, as long as people don't reject Flat-earth, climate-denial, or intelligent design, they are condoning those things. The Republican party have been masters of allowing these beliefs to come along for the ride for years. 2 of them seem to be rooted in religious freedom, and can be safely left out of political discourse. the 3rd, climate change denial, needs to be discussed, and needs to be handled on the basis of facts instead of beliefs.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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Post by mattferderer »

matwood wrote: post #8
serg_chernata wrote: post #2

Honest question, what does this mean for all the talk of Silicon Valley doom and gloom under Trump's presidency? Was all that just fear mongering? How do we understand this move?

The doom and gloom was of course a lot of fear mongering (the Hitler comparisons grow old very quickly). Trump talked so little of policy during the campaign we really have no idea what he is going to do. That in of itself is also scary because it is an unknown. While he was not my pick for POTUS, I'm holding a wait and see attitude. Historically Trump's public views were liberal, and he leaned democrat so we'll see…

As someone else who didn't vote for Trump, I too am sick of seeing all this fear mongering. Though in all fairness I've listened to people use it on Obama, Bush & both Clintons for the past few decades. For me, it reduces the credibility of someone's view points when they overuse this tactic.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#33

Post by gdulli »

edblarney wrote: post #20
balabaster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but he's a bit of a paradox in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else. Given some of the positions he's filled, with some of the personalities he's chosen, to pick a team that's clearly liberal and forward thinking team in this aspect vs. (anecdotally, I haven't read the actual evidence supporting this) the very staunch flat earth, climate denial, intelligent design type conser…

"in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else." Musk or Trump? :) Musk might be liberal on some kind of social issues, but he's more of a libertarian than anything, he's not remotely some kind of 'bernie' guy. Musk told his wife, as they were having their 'first dance at the wedding' - that 'he's the alpha' in the relationship. Does that sound progressive? Or how about dumping his wife…

> Musk told his wife, as they were having their 'first dance at the wedding' - that 'he's the alpha' in the relationship.

Oh god if that happened... is it possible to die from cringing?

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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Post by dragonwriter »

nashashmi wrote: post #23
balabaster wrote: post #5

Did not see that coming... The cynic in me says this is entirely about PR, but if it's not, this is a suprisingly positive step in the right direction. I'm not sure what to make of it and wonder what will come of it.

I take this as a sign that politics are out, and simple business administration is in. Of course real cynics will yell too much power is being given to business people.

> I take this as a sign that politics are out, and simple business administration is in.

Distraction accomplished.

> Of course real cynics will yell too much power is being given to business people.

Real cynics will point to the evident factional politics in the substantive appointments and that the thing you are giving so much weight to is a powerless advisory body.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#36

Post by jredwards »

abakker wrote: post #31
edblarney wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else." Musk or Trump? :) Musk might be liberal on some kind of social issues, but he's more of a libertarian than anything, he's not remotely some kind of 'bernie' guy. Musk told his wife, as they were having their 'first dance at the wedding' - that 'he's the alpha' in the relationship. Does that sound progressive? Or how about dumping his wife…

Evidence that Musk has not "the faintest grasp of economics"? I'm not sure that you can make that claim about anyone who has a company that they created that is worth >$1bn. Also, as long as people don't reject Flat-earth, climate-denial, or intelligent design, they are condoning those things. The Republican party have been masters of allowing these beliefs to come along for the ride for years. 2 of them seem to be r…

Handling the economics of a nation is dramatically different from running a business, no matter how many presidential hopefuls claim otherwise.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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Post by dragonwriter »

edblarney wrote: post #26
Mwatson10 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious how things changed? Advising someone doesn't mean you have to agree with them. In fact wouldn't you want to advise someone you don't agree with? Try and direct them more towards your opinions?

"I'm curious how things changed?" It would be one thing to prefer one candidate over the other. But Musk's remarks are very strong. Basically: "This man is not qualified for the job" is a very string rebuke. And then to go on his panel? It's a little hypocritical. Trump knows that these guys value their careers more than their credibility, and he's making Elon Musk, Mitt Romney etc. 'kiss the ring' and 'eat their own…

> Basically: "This man is not qualified for the job" is a very string rebuke

It's a lot more mild than the statements made by politicians to whom Trump has granted substantive positions.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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Post by sjellis »

balabaster wrote: post #14
danvasquez29 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It honestly fits his MO perfectly I think. He very much values enterprise leadership over political experience.

Yes, but he's a bit of a paradox in this respect because he clearly values his own opinion over everyone else. Given some of the positions he's filled, with some of the personalities he's chosen, to pick a team that's clearly liberal and forward thinking team in this aspect vs. (anecdotally, I haven't read the actual evidence supporting this) the very staunch flat earth, climate denial, intelligent design type conser…

I suspect that Trump deliberately sets things up so that there are multiple people involved who will disagree, which enables him to maintain control of the situation by picking who to support and how much.

I first noticed this with the muddle over who was actually the leader of his campaign team, and then with the Bannon & Priebus setup: giving them equal prominence makes them more subservient to Trump, since if they can't agree they both need to plead their case to Himself.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#39

Post by brightball »

zzzeek wrote: post #19

Jeff Bezos is also on this "advisory team" and he's close to a mortal enemy of Trump. I predict this is no more than a sunshine squad for PR reasons. Trump met with Al Gore for many hours as well, then nominated the most ardent climate change denier as head of the EPA the next day. As long as that kind of thing doesn't change (e.g. Trump literally comes out and says, "OK, I was wrong, I finally believe in climate cha…

While I'm not a Trump fan and don't disagree with a ton of what you say here, people need to stop with this intelligence briefings stuff.

He said he doesn't need to dedicate time to have people tell him the exact same thing everyday, but to let him know when things change. If anything, that's an efficiency gain that a site full of programmers and avid "meetings are the devil" folks should appreciate. Every time that gets cited right now it roughly translates to "person who only reads headlines."

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