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Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could just compare it to the Nazi internment camps for Jews, if finding "worse" conditions is the goal. (I'm being sardonic.) (OT question: sarcastic is to sarcasm as sardonic is to ____?) These were second and third generation "immigrants" living their normal, everyday American lives, torn away from their homes, communities, jobs, schools, churches, friends, and families. The crime isn't in the living conditions…

Sardonicism. It doesn't come up much.

Thanks.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

#32
post #5

"The very fact that no sabotage has taken place to date is a disturbing and confirming indication that such action will be taken." THAT is disturbing "logic".

It sounds straight out of Doctor Strangelove. He might as well be ranting about how they're stealing our vital bodily fluids. It's just so insane that this guy was given this kind of power.

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post #18

With today's political climate I can't help but think that something like this could happen again.

It kind of already is happening in the US right now in the form of "Family detention centers" intended to detain non-citizens slated for deportation. If Trump's administration seriously plans on "rounding up" millions of people for deportation, they'll have to be lodged somewhere while they are tried (assuming they're granted trials, who knows anymore) and travel arrangements are made. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/…

There's a big difference between detention and deportation of illegal immigrants and detention of legal immigrants and American citizens.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

#34

I did not know the ACLU fought against the Japanese internment camps. Donation forthcoming.

Given the climate of the US right now recurring donations to the ACLU and SPLC (among others) would be be appropriate, I've been encouraging as many people as I can to do so. The SPLC has been a little more directed at hate-groups and racism but I groups that have fought internment and the KKK to be very well funded.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the talk has come from the man himself (this is from 2015, but still) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12... Stephanopoulos responded: "You want to bring back policies like that?" After a pause, Trump responded: "No, I don't to bring it back, George. At all. I don't like doing it at all. It's a temporary measure until our representatives, many of whom are grossly incompetent, until o…

“It” in this case seems to refer to the “ban on Muslims entering United States”, not any internment?

My reading is the most likely "it" in context is restricting the freedom of movement of ethnic minorities that he mentions immediately before:

"They went through a whole list of things -- they couldn't go five miles from their homes, they weren't allowed to use radios, flashlights," Trump said.

Maybe he means "Hey, if that's legal than my policy is less bad and therefore legal too" which is only marginally reassuring. Citing internment as a necessary tactic in wartime as a moral justification for your policy is plenty worrying on its own. "Look how generous I am- I'm not actually interning people, just X. I don't like it, but it's a time of war, so it's necessary."

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the talk has come from the man himself (this is from 2015, but still) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12... Stephanopoulos responded: "You want to bring back policies like that?" After a pause, Trump responded: "No, I don't to bring it back, George. At all. I don't like doing it at all. It's a temporary measure until our representatives, many of whom are grossly incompetent, until o…

“It” in this case seems to refer to the “ban on Muslims entering United States”, not any internment?

It's hard to develop a clear impression of what Donald Trump's position really is from that interview. He wants to sound like a hard liner who will be tough on muslim immigrants, but he also won't allow himself to be cornered into stating that he wants to take any explicitly repressive measure, like a religious ban on immigration, registration, or internment. So he winds up saying nothing at all. The reason he is so creepy is that he either has no policies or refuses to articulate them.

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post #9

Just to be clear, there's zero talk of any Muslim internment other than in the fevered world of the anti-Trumpers, who are using it as a straw-bogeyman to stir people up.

Most Germans were unaware of the camps until after the war. If we ever reimplement them, it won't be public. We won't (don't) know.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the talk has come from the man himself (this is from 2015, but still) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12... Stephanopoulos responded: "You want to bring back policies like that?" After a pause, Trump responded: "No, I don't to bring it back, George. At all. I don't like doing it at all. It's a temporary measure until our representatives, many of whom are grossly incompetent, until o…

“It” in this case seems to refer to the “ban on Muslims entering United States”, not any internment?

I'm not given to slippery slope arguments but in terms of civil liberties and emotion/fear based decisions this seems to be a fair use.

A ban is just a first step, as it validates the perception of danger it will not do much to reduce mistrust of muslims already here and all it would take would be a single attack possibly to shift public perception away from a ban and to more drastic measures. That is why we should not relax and assume the best when there are so many parallels to past atrocities.

Re: Censored Photographs of FDR’s Japanese Concentration Camps

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Most of them were Japanese Americans, born in America. One wonders why German Americans weren't given similar treatment.

They were? I guess? Appears to have been different, but still done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

A relatively small number of Germans were interned based on specific individual circumstances. This was still unjust in many cases, but I wouldn't call it "similar treatment."
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