I should hope this comes as no surprise to anyone. Every single psychiatrist I've ever visited had the same policy, only their lock was medicine rather than a door (outpatient vs inpatient). I feel bad for the lady because she didn't know any better and joked about suicide, but shouldn't it be common sense you don't tell anyone about that--you don't even joke about it-- especially to a doctor with the power to commit…
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#32"Current and former employees from at least 10 UHS hospitals in nine states said they were under pressure to fill beds by almost any method — which sometimes meant exaggerating people’s symptoms or twisting their words to make them seem suicidal — and to hold them until their insurance payments ran out." Don't worry, free-market ideologues will coolly tell you. Their logic will seem airtight: over time, if Intake's p…
However, it seems clear that pressure to profit, pressure to grow fast, to raise ever larger rounds, etc. leads to huge missteps, both in tiny startups and in huge corporations. If you replace "beds" in that quote with "bank accounts" you get the Welles Fargo scandal. Ditto for Theranos. And these are only the very recent examples (that we know of).
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, this sounds a lot like criminal kidnapping.
And indeed she reached a settlement with the company which presumably means they were worried about losing a lawsuit or worse.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
And indeed she reached a settlement with the company which presumably means they were worried about losing a lawsuit or worse.
Why weren't criminal charges pressed? Why is nobody in jail? Holding people hostage is definitely illegal.
Some crimes don't have a legal victim, e.g. murder (victim is dead) or so-called "victimless" crimes (prostitution, drug possession, speeding, etc).
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#35American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…
Also, I understand the aversion many people have to even the concept of asylums, but the problem is in the implementation, not the concept. De-institutionalization is great, asylums should be an absolute last resort and many cases can be more easily dealt with in out-patient care or medication. But, absolute de-institutionalization means the mentally ill wind up homeless or in prison.
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#36I should hope this comes as no surprise to anyone. Every single psychiatrist I've ever visited had the same policy, only their lock was medicine rather than a door (outpatient vs inpatient). I feel bad for the lady because she didn't know any better and joked about suicide, but shouldn't it be common sense you don't tell anyone about that--you don't even joke about it-- especially to a doctor with the power to commit…
> Every single psychiatrist I've ever visited had the same policy, only their lock was medicine rather than a door (outpatient vs inpatient). I'm confused, are you complaining about psychiatrists forcing medication on people? I thought the entire point of seeing a psychiatrist was to get on medication...
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#37American asylums are a perfect example of the sin and corruption at the root of American society: dehumanizing and illegal detainment of human beings to preserve power and profits. ... In the 1970s, a researcher sent fake (healthy) patients to asylums. They were loaded with powerful antipsychotics and not allowed to leave until they faked the cures the psychologists expected to see. When the fake patients were all ou…
I can't speak about asylums in the 70s, but I think modern mental health centers have problems, some different, some similar. First is that these tend to be either state-run or contracted, and there is a great incentive to provide the bare minimum of care. There is also a serious issue with organization. My father used to work at some of these institutions. He's a psychologist with a PhD and 20+ years of experience t…
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why weren't criminal charges pressed? Why is nobody in jail? Holding people hostage is definitely illegal.
Because in the US (at least) if the victim won't press charges the police can't take action. And in a case like this the defence will attempt to attack the (alleged, at the time of the trial) victim's credibility, which can be devastating. It's the main reason why rapists so often get away with it. Also why gang members are hard to convict. Some crimes don't have a legal victim, e.g. murder (victim is dead) or so-cal…
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
There can be pernicious motives whether a facility is nominally for profit or not. (For instance, say there is a doctor who gets paid in proportion to the time they spend treating patients at a non profit facility)
That's true, but removing the profit motive of the facility removes one major incentive for coordinated, large scale corruption like this. Other incentives (like production-based compensation being gamed by unscrupulous individuals) will have to be dealt with in other ways.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
And indeed she reached a settlement with the company which presumably means they were worried about losing a lawsuit or worse.
Why weren't criminal charges pressed? Why is nobody in jail? Holding people hostage is definitely illegal.
Taking advantage of patients is not uncommon. I see Psychiatrists/Psychologists abuse their position in society for wealth. It's an art afterall too.
My opinion of the speciality couldn't be lower.
These are just my opinions from being around the system for decades, from Psychologists to Psychiatrists. I'm sure there are good/ethical/moral health professionals out there. So save any santimonious speech. These are just my antidotal observations.