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Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by mwfunk »

jordigh wrote: post #27

As one of GNU's flagship products, why shouldn't Emacs remind users that it is not in agreement with Apple's treatment of its users? GNU has an agenda, just like Apple does. Intel cripples icc for non-Intel CPUs, making it emit pessimised assembler. Apple makes sure that its hardware only works with other Apple products and that macOS can only be legally virtualised on Apple hardware. Everyone has an agenda. The diff…

That is true. Similarly, you shouldn't identify yourself with the FSF or GNU or RMS either. Tribalism in general is a dead end for humanity.

Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by theparanoid »

cyphar wrote: post #18

> MacOS users we will always be second-class citizen in Emacs land3. GNU Emacs is part of GNU/Linux. Why are you surprised that [other OS] is a second-class citizen for a project which already has a clear OS target. Besides, the guidelines for GNU packages clearly states that GNU packages cannot emphasise features of proprietary OSes. So it's not really the maintainer's fault, it's one of the rules for GNU packages (…

After using Emacs on Windows for years, including debugging graphics drivers, the only OS with first class support is Linux.

Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by failrate »

As a product developer, maintaining a consistent feature set across OSes makes perfect sense to me. It is a struggle to get consistent behavior across different versions of Windows, let alone entirely different OS types.

Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by phee »

madeofpalk wrote: post #12
beefsack wrote: post #3

It's easy to see this is but one side to the story from the level of emotion in the blog post. Does anyone have more information regarding the decision itself? The post also misses the second half of the paragraph, which suggests a method to get emoji working again: If some symbols, such as emoji, do not display, we suggest to install an appropriate font, such as Symbola; then they will be displayed, albeit without t…

> we suggest to install an appropriate font, such as Symbola It's worth pointing out that this is not the official 'Apple Color Emoji' font, so it will always lag behind Apple's implementation. That, and have completely different (IMHO, ugly) artwork, which can be a real issue http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/12/473965971/... http://samedaytranslations.com/blog/lost-in-translation-emoj...

Is it really Apple's font? I believe WhatsApp on Android uses the same. I guess everyone identifies them as Apple's because WhatsApp is not popular in US. I find it way uglier than Google's, too much detail makes them unusable at small sizes.

Anyway I find emoji worsen the communication. There was a time where I could just use :) when I was smiling and :D when really laughing. Now there's so much different smiling variants that you have to use at least 3 laughing-with-tears to convey even a little amount of joy so the other side doesn't think you're just dismissing them with a normal non-laughing smile.

PS what's going on with scrolling in the second link?

Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by hansen »

MBCook wrote: post #9
beefsack wrote: post #3

It's easy to see this is but one side to the story from the level of emotion in the blog post. Does anyone have more information regarding the decision itself? The post also misses the second half of the paragraph, which suggests a method to get emoji working again: If some symbols, such as emoji, do not display, we suggest to install an appropriate font, such as Symbola; then they will be displayed, albeit without t…

So instead of using the native font rendering on OS X which they had actually done, they suggest installing a secondary font which doesn't work as well to fix the problem they created by disabling the working font rendering? Yeah. I'm sure everyone's happy with that answer.

> So instead of using the native font rendering on OS X which they had actually done, they suggest installing a secondary font

Can't you define fontsets on OS X?

Re: Bye Bye Emojis: Emacs Hates MacOS

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Post by sooheon »

jordigh wrote: post #27

As one of GNU's flagship products, why shouldn't Emacs remind users that it is not in agreement with Apple's treatment of its users? GNU has an agenda, just like Apple does. Intel cripples icc for non-Intel CPUs, making it emit pessimised assembler. Apple makes sure that its hardware only works with other Apple products and that macOS can only be legally virtualised on Apple hardware. Everyone has an agenda. The diff…

Thanks for this dose of perspective. I found the idea of emacs in macOS being hobbled out of spite very annoying, but what you said also makes sense to me.
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