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How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

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Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

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First off this is terrifying. Additionally I was realizing the other day I thought of another reason fake news might resonate so quickly with people that doesn't get brought up as much (not that I think I've had a novel idea of course, it probably isn't true or has been brought up and I haven't seen it): fake news has little nuance. Its part of what I think makes conspiracy theories so attractive, they give the impre…

> I think the alternative that nobody is in control at all is even more scary for some people (maybe all people).

But that's not true either, those two are not the only possibilities. The fact is that what happens in the world is usually due to the collective action of many different people and groups, with converging and diverging opinions. It's something like vector math, the resultant vector determines direction of decision making. The mass narrative which has been sold is that no one is in control, and things just happen. Which is also not true. Implicit conspiracy is common, when those interests converge.

The headline might as well as be mass propaganda techniques no longer working. HALP! Or maybe mass propaganda techniques have been democratized. HALP!

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#32

I think the original fake tweet author's response to this is pretty revealing. He essentially retracts his tweet, while reserving the right to repost it again, and to post such false things in the future. Let's read his own word: "While there’s no such thing as absolute certainty, I now believe that the busses that I photographed on Wednesday, November 9, were for the Tableau Conference 2016 and had no relation to th…

Here's the news story that Fox News posted in its non-opinion, non-blog, supposedly-factual reporting section of their site.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/trump-protests-intensif...

Here's some quality facts from that article.

""" But observers online are claiming that, in some cases, protesters were bused to the scenes - a telltale sign of coordination.

“Anti-Trump protestors in Austin today are not as organic as they seem,” one local in the Texas capitol tweeted Wednesday, along with photos offered as evidence.

[...]

Rumors have also been circulating that the new batch of anti-Trump protesters has been bankrolled by individuals like billionaire liberal activist George Soros and groups like Moveon.org.

“WTF, @georgesoros busing in & paying #protestors to destroy cities is domestic #terrorism. #fakeProtests #BlueLivesMatter have tough days,” read one tweet in response to the viral picture of buses in Austin. """

Fox News runs pieces using these fantasy tweets as their primary source. They also run these stories on their TV network that your mom watches all day.

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#33

Americans apparently don't learn how to think in their many years of compulsory schooling. They can apparently be shown pictures of unmarked buses and be told to believe anything you want. I really don't know how you combat that. How can you try to show these people the truth when they don't have the capacity to discern fact from fiction?

Why make this an attack specifically against Americans?

Plenty of dumb people everywhere. Fake news, state news, no news, they'll eat it up.

I've basically given up on trying to show anyone any sort of truth. A third of my life is over and we're not even to the point where 10/10 people could tell you which way is up without consulting some blog or CNN.

I just gotta carve the best life I can, regardless of any mob rule.

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#34

The trouble, of course, is who gets to decide what is "fake" and what isn't. Even history books get constantly rewritten because people change their minds about what is accurate and what isn't. It's why professional historians try to stick with original sources, for example.

What are your trying to suggest? This is objectively fake. The claim (that protesters were bussed to this place to protest against Trump) is objectively, demonstrably, false.

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#36

Americans apparently don't learn how to think in their many years of compulsory schooling. They can apparently be shown pictures of unmarked buses and be told to believe anything you want. I really don't know how you combat that. How can you try to show these people the truth when they don't have the capacity to discern fact from fiction?

Pff, yeah, as if this was a thing only Americans specifically were susceptible to.

Not to mention doing a sweeping generalisation on 300+ million people.

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#37

Americans apparently don't learn how to think in their many years of compulsory schooling. They can apparently be shown pictures of unmarked buses and be told to believe anything you want. I really don't know how you combat that. How can you try to show these people the truth when they don't have the capacity to discern fact from fiction?

It isn't just that people aren't critical in their thinking, they just tend to be more critical in their thinking about things that violate their experience (read: things they disagree with) than things that they expect.

For example, are you critical of the floor being solid when you get out of bed? You probably wouldn't spend extra milliseconds contemplating they hardness of the floor. Now let's say you get up and the floor is wet. You might take a moment thinking about what happened, looking up at the ceiling, whether the dog peed, did someone spill water, etc.

That is an extreme example, but many people find it very difficult to critically analyze everything they come in contact with. It helps immensely that things like political opinions are controversial, so we are at least aware of other possibilities, but it is still very difficult to accept something that contradicts what is established in our minds, even when that which is established is wrong. So it isn't just that we need to be critical, it is we must be somewhat critical[0] of even things we believe when there is at least some doubt to their validity.

[0] I actually wouldn't call this being critical, but rather, being open-minded to being incorrect.

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#38

How many posts about fake news and evils of Facebook will NYT write, and how many will end up on HN? Yes, there are lying tweets out there and social media is designed in a way that makes spreading this stuff easy. As long as you have an audience that really wants to hear something, they will share your messages. But, really, this is neither new, nor surprising. And it's not exclusive to Trump supporters. It's not ev…

It's almost as if there happened some event of global proportions less than 2 weeks ago that was perhaps in great measure directly caused by this phenomenon?

Re: How Fake News Goes Viral: A Case Study

#39
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is specifically about an event which was a mistake. Perhaps they are making a larger statement about alternative media by posting that, but that wasn't the point of the article.

The point of the article is to discourage 'non-approved' news sources because they must all be fake like this bus thing was. Its propaganda to try and keep the NYT relevant despite their lies and deception such as promoting the war in Iraq.

To be fair to the article, the origin of the misconception was a single tweet, which I'm not sure really counts as "non-approved" news sources. The second stage of the stories spread was reddit, which I think too isn't really a news source, or may be that's what you mean.
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