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Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by hueving »

TheHydroImpulse wrote: post #13
elcct wrote: post #6

Software for bare metal is catching up - you can buy couple of dedicated servers, install something like Kubernetes and will be shaking your head in disbelief how much you over paid for AWS.

Until you need to add another server, or 10 or 100... Not to mention it's another set of skills you need to have. It's a tradeoff. (I'm not talking about "we may need 100 servers next year because we'll have all this traction by then" -- I'm talking about "our load is growing at 1.5x every month or next month we need X capacity") I just finished booting up two new clusters with 5 and 15 nodes, respectively and cycled…

"Sure, you could just buy a toyota corolla and get to and from work without much hassle. However, I commute in a lamborghini gallardo in case I need to get from 0-60mph in 2.8 seconds to snag a narrow spot on the expressway from an onramp. I can't do that with a toyota corolla."

I can't wait until the day that we mature as an industry enough to consider running any kind of baseline workload on EC2 negligent.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by 0xmohit »

matt4077 wrote: post #17
0xmohit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

their lack of sweatshop-warehouses You are now hitting below the belt.

I admit writing that – if I were at Amazon – I'd spend the rest of the week making sure every future package to "that unfair guy on the internet" gets thrown against the wall an extra four times :) And, more seriously, I didn't want to imply that Amazon deserves any hate – they're probably a net positive for the world. And Google is no saint. Just that, on balance, I'm still more inclined to be loyal to the latter.

To be fair, I'm indifferent which side you take.

[I was perhaps amused to see it mentioned in the first place.]

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by hueving »

gtsteve wrote: post #21
dx034 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most startups hope that they'll suddenly need to increase capacity by 100x, but it nearly never happens. Most vendors can provide dedicated servers within a few minutes (if you don't order too many at once), so scaling is still possible in the vast majority of cases. Even if you always have to scale up for 1-2 hours per day, using dedicated hardware that's idle the rest of the day is probably cheaper in most cases.

There are other benefits also: 1. You can get started for dirt-cheap or in some cases, free 2. There's a common API for requesting new instances and performing maintenance tasks 3. There are extra services available to help build your apps such as SES, S3, and RDS to name but a few I found very helpful. I'm not saying anything in this thread is wrong. But in software engineering, we say "write the code that only you…

>2. There's a common API for requesting new instances and performing maintenance tasks

Only true if you commit to vendor lock-in. If you use a higher-level cloud agnostic library, then it likely works with openstack as well so you can manage on-prem and off-prem instances the same.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by TheHydroImpulse »

hueving wrote: post #31
TheHydroImpulse wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you need to add another server, or 10 or 100... Not to mention it's another set of skills you need to have. It's a tradeoff. (I'm not talking about "we may need 100 servers next year because we'll have all this traction by then" -- I'm talking about "our load is growing at 1.5x every month or next month we need X capacity") I just finished booting up two new clusters with 5 and 15 nodes, respectively and cycled…

"Sure, you could just buy a toyota corolla and get to and from work without much hassle. However, I commute in a lamborghini gallardo in case I need to get from 0-60mph in 2.8 seconds to snag a narrow spot on the expressway from an onramp. I can't do that with a toyota corolla." I can't wait until the day that we mature as an industry enough to consider running any kind of baseline workload on EC2 negligent.

I'm talking about _my_ use case for using AWS. I'm sure other people have similar requirements. We manage hundreds of servers, process over 50 billion events/month and losing data is unacceptable.

In the HN echo chamber, you might think everyone just has a SPA and just needs a Digital Ocean droplet. Everyone has different requirements and AWS fits those for many people.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by TheHydroImpulse »

hueving wrote: post #33
gtsteve wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other benefits also: 1. You can get started for dirt-cheap or in some cases, free 2. There's a common API for requesting new instances and performing maintenance tasks 3. There are extra services available to help build your apps such as SES, S3, and RDS to name but a few I found very helpful. I'm not saying anything in this thread is wrong. But in software engineering, we say "write the code that only you…

>2. There's a common API for requesting new instances and performing maintenance tasks Only true if you commit to vendor lock-in. If you use a higher-level cloud agnostic library, then it likely works with openstack as well so you can manage on-prem and off-prem instances the same.

At a high enough scale, you have a lock-in _somewhere_. Spending time trying to abstract yourself from any lock-in can be wasteful.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by mootothemax »

tachion wrote: post #29
dx034 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OVH is another decent host at similar prices. They have a larger range of servers and more datacenters, but are slightly more expensive. But they also offer renting older servers at kimsufi (similar to Hetzner's server bidding).

'Friends dont let friends use OVH'. Just google OVH and how horrible they are, every few months they have some gigantic filure - last time I've heard it was taking people money and not delivering servers for MONTHS.

Counterpoint: I've been delighted with the last couple of years at OVH, as have several people I know who use them for dedicated servers.

I also host a few servers at Hetzner and have nothing but praise for them. I've found network performance to be way better at OVH - think it may be a your mileage may vary thing, though.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by tobltobs »

tachion wrote: post #29
dx034 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OVH is another decent host at similar prices. They have a larger range of servers and more datacenters, but are slightly more expensive. But they also offer renting older servers at kimsufi (similar to Hetzner's server bidding).

'Friends dont let friends use OVH'. Just google OVH and how horrible they are, every few months they have some gigantic filure - last time I've heard it was taking people money and not delivering servers for MONTHS.

'Friends don't confuse friends with anecdotal evidence'. My anecdotal evidence is that I am a satisfied customer. Great prices, good customer service.

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by [deleted] »

rubber_duck wrote: post #12
elcct wrote: post #6

Software for bare metal is catching up - you can buy couple of dedicated servers, install something like Kubernetes and will be shaking your head in disbelief how much you over paid for AWS.

>you can buy couple of dedicated servers You can rent them too, like here : https://www.hetzner.de/us/hosting/ (not affiliated, would like to know of other decent hosts too) - I think this is the best of both worlds (don't need to deal with HW, getting bare mettal perf and reasonable prices)

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Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by moondev »

csomar wrote: post #26
elcct wrote: post #6

Software for bare metal is catching up - you can buy couple of dedicated servers, install something like Kubernetes and will be shaking your head in disbelief how much you over paid for AWS.

DockerCloud allows you to deploy to AWS/DigitalOcean. It is server hosting agnostic. That is if the Ocean is cheaper, you can simply switch from the Amazon. This will be a deal breaker in the future. Amazon is being disrupted with the same tech it used for disrupting the other players.

So is Kubernetes

Re: EC2 Price Reduction (C4, M4, and T2 Instances)

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Post by zapu »

tachion wrote: post #29
dx034 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OVH is another decent host at similar prices. They have a larger range of servers and more datacenters, but are slightly more expensive. But they also offer renting older servers at kimsufi (similar to Hetzner's server bidding).

'Friends dont let friends use OVH'. Just google OVH and how horrible they are, every few months they have some gigantic filure - last time I've heard it was taking people money and not delivering servers for MONTHS.

~3 year OVH user here, multiple dedicated servers. No problems whatsoever, and DDOS protection that actually saved us a few times.
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