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How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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What's fascinating to me about this phenomenon is that you can actually feel the 60Hz AC by running your hand across the lid. It feels as if the surface is slightly bumpy, but the width of the bumps changes as you adjust the speed your finger moves. Unplug from mains, and the surface becomes smooth. As the answer notes, this only happens when using the two-prong adapter without earthing. It also seems to be more noti…

I had this in my iPod touch. It feels "bumpy" when plugged into the wall. I thought I was going crazy.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

#32

What's fascinating to me about this phenomenon is that you can actually feel the 60Hz AC by running your hand across the lid. It feels as if the surface is slightly bumpy, but the width of the bumps changes as you adjust the speed your finger moves. Unplug from mains, and the surface becomes smooth. As the answer notes, this only happens when using the two-prong adapter without earthing. It also seems to be more noti…

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Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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Ungrounded adapter + bad mains power = zap! Ungrounded adapter + clean mains power = probably no zap Grounded adapter + bad mains power = probably no zap Grounded adapter + clean mains power = no zap It's not just the adapter and it's not just the mains power; it's when both come together. Electricity follows pretty simple rules when it comes down to it. Always always always ground your A/C connections. Why wouldn't…

I got the zaps. I live in the Uk where we have good quality mains power, and my mains power and all the sockets are tested once a year.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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For those of you who don't have access to proper grounding (because, for example, the wiring lacks PE or it's faulty): a plain separation transformer (1:1) between mains and your laptop might be able do the trick. Unfortunately if you have a larger setup (speakers, monitor, etc.) you have to connect everything to the separation transformer, otherwise you'll create leakage a path to mains some other way (say, through the audio jack).

Caveat emptor: If you decide to go that route, make sure you can return the transformer if it doesn't to the job.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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The 70v is probably induced voltage at milliamp levels. You can fix it by bonding the neutral to ground at the breaker box.

This is potentially deadly advice. A neutral/grounding fault will energize all your home devices with live potential; same with a live/neutral swap (unlikely but possible with Indian wiring standards).

> This is potentially deadly advice. A neutral/grounding fault will energize all your home devices with live potential; same with a live/neutral swap (unlikely but possible with Indian wiring standards).

You are wrong. In the US the NEC requires this. If you bother to look inside your breaker panel you will find the neutral and ground wires are literally screwed down to the same bus bar.

Any path your body (or the soil outside) can provide back to the generator pales in comparison to the neutral tap provided by the transformer. Grounding to dirt is about static electrical discharge, not the voltage provided by the generating station.

The safety of providing a grounding wire is that metal parts of appliances must be connected to that ground. The ground wire itself is both bonded to neutral and connected to a metal grounding rod driven into the dirt. If any part of the appliance's internal works becomes energized and touches the metal casing the direct path to ground is designed to create a short circuit and trip the breaker immediately, rather than sitting there waiting for a human to come along and complete the circuit.

If ground weren't bonded and the ground dried out or the grounding rod weren't properly installed then the scenario you describe would occur. A single faulty appliance would back-feed voltage onto every grounded appliance in the building. So in fact bonding is what creates safety, not the other way around.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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Ungrounded adapter + bad mains power = zap! Ungrounded adapter + clean mains power = probably no zap Grounded adapter + bad mains power = probably no zap Grounded adapter + clean mains power = no zap It's not just the adapter and it's not just the mains power; it's when both come together. Electricity follows pretty simple rules when it comes down to it. Always always always ground your A/C connections. Why wouldn't…

Actually, for things with a non-conductive casing (think cheap nightlights, or those apple wall warts) there's no need for a ground. If anything, it's another part and more cost, thus it isn't included.

In highly sensitive A/V systems, an isolation transformer is often used as well, neglecting a ground.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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I've had this on every metal-chassis Mac I've ever owned. The chassis typically floats around 50V AC at 50Hz (in the UK, at least) - making it noticeably vibrate and tingle when you touch it, especially with the palm of your hands when typing. It also seems to make RSI worse.

The solution, as everyone's pointed out, is to ensure you are correctly grounded.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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Have you seen a tear down of the authentic chargers? There's a lot going on in there.

Right, but even still, you don't think Apple's commanding actual profit from them? They're up to $90...

This was a really good teardown.

http://www.righto.com/2015/11/macbook-charger-teardown-surpr...

The author also does consider the cost of the components.

Re: How can I avoid my MacBook Pro giving me minor shocks?

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I never had that issue in the US (even when using a two-holed outlet), but I had that problem when I was visiting Israel. So it seems to only be an issue when using 220 volts and not a proper ground connection.

I noticed the vibrations while charging in France and Germany with my American iPhone and MBP, but just chalked it up to my universal power adapters being not 100% native.

Reading jordwest's 60Hz comment, it seems to do with grounding. So do MBPs and iPhones purchased in Europe still experience this issue if the apartment isn't grounded properly?

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