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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by ikeboy » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:38 AM UTC

_pius wrote: post #9

jerf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's a great plan for YC. Go up to the next President of the United States and stick their finger in his eye. That'll really show him. That'll Win Friends and Influence People. Can't possibly harm their startups, either, to stick a finger in the President's eye like that. I'm sure they never want to fund a startup ever again that might interact with the Federal government in any way.

Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

Wouldn't the point where it becomes morally obligatory to do that be once Trump actually starts doing things that are comparable?

Right now we don't really know which of his promises he plans on actually keeping.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by RA_Fisher » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:39 AM UTC

all_blue_chucks wrote: post #3

As Bezos said, contrarians are rarely right. But rare does not mean always.

Humans tend to underestimate rare events. http://shiny.statwonk.com/birthday-problem/

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by School-Cotton » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:39 AM UTC

the_decider wrote: post #16

Perhaps California's exit from the union will hep YC re-establish its moral integrty. Sam Altman, you wanted to radically change the word (in a positive way)? Well now is your chance!

It might be the morally correct choice (I reserve judgment on that) for California to secede from the US, but it's certainly not a good idea pragmatically.

Trump doesn't really have any consistent ideology about most things, but the one thing he never wavers on is his commitment to protectionist trade policy.

If California seceded from the US to spite Trump, Trump will do everything in his power to block commerce between California and the United States. California's economy will tank, and all the tech companies there will be practically worthless.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by darawk » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:39 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

No he didn't. He suggested, correctly, that women getting the vote was bad for libertarians, because women vote against it. If you read the quote in context, that is very clearly what he's saying.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:39 AM UTC

user837387 wrote: post #28

throwawayIndian wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't agree! I'd blame the democrats alone (the party, leadership, delegates, superdelegates and a section of voters + ~~liar~~ media) for giving away the presidency to Trump. For free, literally. How is Peter Thiel or anyone else (Trump's supporters) responsible for what comes out of the man's mouth when at the same time the other party is clearly doing what's downright corruption/stifling a democratic nomination? I…

>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame the people who voted for Trump for making him President. After all, we are all adults here, and although Trump never accepts any responsibility for his actions I think that the Trump supporters accept that they voted for him. So yeah, blaming the Democrats for the…

Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country.

Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote again in 4 years if the Dems run yet another establishment candidate, learn your lesson already).

Your chance for your opinion to matter was when the primaries took place. Don't save your outrage for after it doesn't go the way you wanted.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

the_decider wrote: post #16

Perhaps California's exit from the union will hep YC re-establish its moral integrty. Sam Altman, you wanted to radically change the word (in a positive way)? Well now is your chance!

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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by daxorid » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

_pius wrote: post #9

jerf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's a great plan for YC. Go up to the next President of the United States and stick their finger in his eye. That'll really show him. That'll Win Friends and Influence People. Can't possibly harm their startups, either, to stick a finger in the President's eye like that. I'm sure they never want to fund a startup ever again that might interact with the Federal government in any way.

Great moral courage there. YC has a choice: do what IBM did in the 1930's or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust And before you say I'm "going Godwin," remember: It was Sam and Paul who've said they think Trump is a threat of similar proportions. If Sam really thinks that, the moral thing to do is cut ties. And yes, it'll be hard. Would have been easier to do before the election. It will only get…

What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills.

Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor crypto. She wants no-fly zones over Syria, a place we have NO business being in, to directly provoke proxy wars with Russia. She is extremely antagonistic to freedom of association and free enterprise, and she LOVES the panopticon surveillance state we have.

She is NO FRIEND OF EITHER STARTUPS OR HACKERS, and yet, 99% of you are frothing at the mouth over a man who said bad words 18 years ago.

It is at the point that I don't even think I can do business with any of you ever again.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by hueving » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

Ah, misquoting someone. Way to elevate the discussion.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by moultano » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

>Thiel suggested in 2009 that giving women the vote was a bad thing.

He did not say that. Read the article yourself. https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by paulddraper » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 2:41 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #27

Edit: Flagged? Wow. This conversation seems extremely relevant to Thiel being in government. Genuinely disappointing that the people in charge of HN do not consider Thiel's extreme views to be worthy of discussion, and instead a "pudding".

Libel. He never said that.

Is there a way to flag comments?