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It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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As someone aptly put it on twitter (Nate Cohn), the "white working class" is voting like a minority block--and why would they not? The elites have ignored the working class (white and black) for ages and when they do think of them, white (and other) elites look down at them with the contempt of 'white privilege' while they, the elite whites, sit comfortably in their protected perches rarely exposing themselves to ins…

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Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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post #8

As someone aptly put it on twitter (Nate Cohn), the "white working class" is voting like a minority block--and why would they not? The elites have ignored the working class (white and black) for ages and when they do think of them, white (and other) elites look down at them with the contempt of 'white privilege' while they, the elite whites, sit comfortably in their protected perches rarely exposing themselves to ins…

Trump runs as the anti-establishment candidate and with his charisma does a good job selling it. His candidacy reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

I think the working class was really tired of Globalism. I'm as liberal as they get, but building in the cheapest country always bothered me.

I get hammered for this, but we buy Apple products. We pay a premium. We are told Apple has to build overseas, in order to sell us products at their low prices. Then they have the gut wrenching corporate problem of too much cash?

I'm sorry--it always bothered me.

That said, I'll be shocked if Trump succeeds in bringing back manufacturing. Those senators are not going to raise Tarriffs, or do anything to upset their corporate lobbiests.

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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It's a number of things: Going against political correctness by voicing controversial but popular views on immigration and Islam. Populist economics in a recession after two terms of Obama. And of course a yuuuge charisma.

I don't find him particularly charismatic. I'd probably punch the dude in the mouth if I had to deal with him and his attitude in person. But your points about populist economics are the bigger cause I believe. But then I'm a Bernie supporter who knew he could steal that issue from Trump. C'est la vie.

Sounds like you're just not his audience. Would you at least agree that he's much more charismatic than his opponent?

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the super fiscally conservative and the more... unpleasant parts of Trump's voting block would never vote for someone as liberal as Sanders. I have a hard time believing anyone that would have voted for him would vote Trump, now if you think it would've swayed enough people who voted 3rd party to vote Sanders instead you might have something.

Sanders could have picked the working class given enough time. Not only on issues.

Part of me balks at the idea due to his personality, yet another part looks at how Trump's polarizing nature pulled enough people to himself to do what not so long ago seemed unthinkable. While in an entirely different way Bernie is certainly a polarizing figure, and perhaps that is what was needed to go up against someone like Trump.

At this point I just don't know. Too much to process.

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump runs as the anti-establishment candidate and with his charisma does a good job selling it. His candidacy reminds me of the movie Idiocracy.

I think the working class was really tired of Globalism. I'm as liberal as they get, but building in the cheapest country always bothered me. I get hammered for this, but we buy Apple products. We pay a premium. We are told Apple has to build overseas, in order to sell us products at their low prices. Then they have the gut wrenching corporate problem of too much cash? I'm sorry--it always bothered me. That said, I'l…

>That said, I'll be shocked if Trump succeeds in bringing back manufacturing. Those senators are not going to raise Tarriffs, or do anything to upset their corporate lobbiests.

True, but one could say he now has the bully pulpit from which to rail against those same senators for whatever they will refuse to do with him.

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the super fiscally conservative and the more... unpleasant parts of Trump's voting block would never vote for someone as liberal as Sanders. I have a hard time believing anyone that would have voted for him would vote Trump, now if you think it would've swayed enough people who voted 3rd party to vote Sanders instead you might have something.

The thrust of the essay is that people don't vote by issues but by charisma - and Sanders has more charisma than Hillary. And he is also an anti-establishment candidate.

Her narrative is its all about me... rules/laws don't apply to me and I will do anything to get where I want including let a man walk all over me to try and get to the top.

It's 2016 and do women not need a better role model then that old way of thinking? Especially if they are proud and tough and do not take any crap from a guy.

p.s. I'm a dude and I voted for Jill stein!

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the super fiscally conservative and the more... unpleasant parts of Trump's voting block would never vote for someone as liberal as Sanders. I have a hard time believing anyone that would have voted for him would vote Trump, now if you think it would've swayed enough people who voted 3rd party to vote Sanders instead you might have something.

The thrust of the essay is that people don't vote by issues but by charisma - and Sanders has more charisma than Hillary. And he is also an anti-establishment candidate.

I'm not sure Sanders has more charisma than Hillary.

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thrust of the essay is that people don't vote by issues but by charisma - and Sanders has more charisma than Hillary. And he is also an anti-establishment candidate.

I'm not sure Sanders has more charisma than Hillary.

Maybe, maybe not, but it was so fun to watch and listen to Sanders - what a character. Hillary often feels scripted, forced and on message.

Re: It's Charisma, Stupid (2004)

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Hilary Clinton has and is highly unlikeable and her narrative is similar. The DNC chose her over Sanders... would the results be different?

I have dozens of friends who were energized about Bernie. 250 of my FB friends like his page. I know exactly one person who really supported Hillary. 28 of my FB friends like her page. I saw many people post saying they were very disillusioned by her becoming the candidate. I also have some very liberal friends who specifically dislike Hillary and not only refused to support her, but opposed her.

Sanders had energetic youth support similar to Obama, but more so. I believe he would have won.

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