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Ring, officially a GNU package

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Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

#31

What stops attackers from poisoning the DHT? Could one publish false name IP address associations?

The crypto would stop you from actually impersonating the target, but you could easily DOS someone by flooding the DHT with bogus data for their id.

Edit: You could also get the IPs of all the people trying to contact the target.

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

#32
I was happy to see they have a native Windows version that actually looks like a Windows application and not some 80s era SunOS application. However, every time I tell it to grab my camera, it crashes. (This is on a very standard Windows Surface Book)

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

#33
Little bit off-topic but:

> respects freedoms and privacy of its users

It downloads the binary over http on http://ring.cx, makes it susceptible to tampering. Is serving binaries over HTTP a GNU thing because the expectation is that you would check the signature?

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

#34
While I'm sure it's well-intended, it does have a couple of fatal flaws.

* Lack of full forward secrecy means logged network logs can be decrypted in the future if an endpoint key is ever compromised.

* e2e encryption is optional, due to legacy SIP support. This is extremely dangerous as it will no doubt lead to false sense of security, with users assuming they're safe just because Ring is the program they're talking through.

Due to these two I cannot actually recommend it to anyone.

Note that Tox got these two right, and is a pretty active project which gets commits semi-daily, regardless of the nonsense about it being dead that some party seems to be spreading.

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

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post #13

What's the advantage of being a GNU project these days? It seems like it ties you very strongly to the FSF's political opinions and in particular Richard Stallman's political opinions (e.g., eugenics) and restricts your technical decision-making options (e.g., limited plugin architecture, limited support for non-free OSes, mandatory support for things like GNUTLS), while not giving you very much in return - with the…

What are Stallman's supposed opinions on eugenics?

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's the advantage of being a GNU project these days? I can't think of anything. > and in particular Richard Stallman's political opinions (e.g., eugenics) Utter nonsense. Being part of GNU doesn't imply agreeing with every word Stallman utters on any topic. > restricts your technical decision-making options Very real (see gcc and frontend/backend separation) and a very good reason to stay away.

Over half an hour before you posted, a project maintainer directly contradicted your post under this thread. The technical decision-making are made by the maintainers, not by the GNU project. Did you just miss davexunit post?

I know he said things, but I also know the gcc frontend/backend hard wall is very real, entirely political, and is very frustrating.

What good is reading his post when you can see how core GNU projects are actually run?

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

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post #33

Little bit off-topic but: > respects freedoms and privacy of its users It downloads the binary over http on http://ring.cx , makes it susceptible to tampering. Is serving binaries over HTTP a GNU thing because the expectation is that you would check the signature?

Care to elaborate? http://ring.cx has a 301 forward to https://ring.cx, and all the downloads seem to use https as well. Where is it using plain http? Or was the forward added in the last hour?

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

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post #36
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over half an hour before you posted, a project maintainer directly contradicted your post under this thread. The technical decision-making are made by the maintainers, not by the GNU project. Did you just miss davexunit post?

I know he said things, but I also know the gcc frontend/backend hard wall is very real, entirely political, and is very frustrating. What good is reading his post when you can see how core GNU projects are actually run?

Who is the maintainer of GCC?

This is not news to me, but its the maintainer of a project that decide over their project. Its like how the CEO of Microsoft do not control what Apple do, nor vice verse. Two projects with different people in charge, makes different decision, and has different priorities.

The good thing about reading other posts is that you might realize that not every project is run the same way. If you have an axe to grind with GCC over their priorities, maybe you should try convince them that your priorities are more important than theirs, rather than complain in a HN thread that has nothing to do with having proprietary compiler modifications to GCC.

Re: Ring, officially a GNU package

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post #13

What's the advantage of being a GNU project these days? It seems like it ties you very strongly to the FSF's political opinions and in particular Richard Stallman's political opinions (e.g., eugenics) and restricts your technical decision-making options (e.g., limited plugin architecture, limited support for non-free OSes, mandatory support for things like GNUTLS), while not giving you very much in return - with the…

>> limited support for non-free OSes Some believe that's not necessary a bad thing.

Sure. I'm not saying it is; you're welcome to implement that choice voluntarily. What's the benefit of being required to make that choice as part of being a GNU project?
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