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The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by emodendroket »

newshacker47 wrote: post #12

The game pretty much consists of "do you want to turn back from voting, or continue to vote and have $BAD_THING happen" (if you are not a white programmer from California). The game format doesn't really do much here. Of course extremely long lines, abusive bosses, distant polling locations and abusive election observers are bad. Clicking yes/no doesn't really get the point across better. I'd rather read an article w…

There are lots of articles about it if that's how you prefer to consume the information.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by emodendroket »

mchannon wrote: post #16

It'd be nice if they'd included "A disabled retiree from Washington State". Since Washington, Colorado and Oregon vote exclusively by mail, there are no problems associated with polling places because there are no traditional polling places. Note the correlation with recreational 420 and mail-in elections. It'd make the white programmer from California seem like the unlucky one.

Perhaps, but I think the focus is more on the fact that regulations have been changed in a nakedly partisan way that also ends up disproportionately targeting disadvantaged groups.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by nomoreaccoubts »

mantas wrote: post #27
nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is an ID required at all to register to vote in CA? I know they make you check a box to say you're a US citizen, and they ask you to provide an ID # if you have one . But is there anything to stop a non-citizen from voting?

What do they do to avoid double voting? Not asking for ID seems weird...

In CA, they ask for your name and address when you vote and cross your name off a list.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by maxerickson »

mantas wrote: post #27
nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is an ID required at all to register to vote in CA? I know they make you check a box to say you're a US citizen, and they ask you to provide an ID # if you have one . But is there anything to stop a non-citizen from voting?

What do they do to avoid double voting? Not asking for ID seems weird...

To vote in a given precinct, you have to be on their list of registered voters or file a provisional ballot. It's unlikely that the election workers in a given polling location would allow a single person to vote and then file a provisional ballot.

It turns out most people aren't criminals and don't abuse the opportunity to impersonate another voter.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by AdamN »

travmatt wrote: post #10
ones_and_zeros wrote: post #3

I was excited to see this but this game is crazy partisan and does nothing but to further divide us.

Is it factually accurate? Is it giving a full picture of voter suppression, or do you believe that Democrats engage in the practice and this fact is being omitted? IMO complaining about partisanship is just dodging a conversation on the merits, if in fact the objective truth is partisan. Back when Republicans were the Party of Lincoln it would have been both factual and partisan of me to say they were the political p…

@ones_and_zeros is right, it's hyper partisan. The content (as thin as it is), is true ... but for the NYTimes to use a game produced by GOP Games, who only produce satire of Trump, is really less than ideal.

Secondly, it creates a real division between, white, Latina (which remember is an ethnic group, not a racial group ... many Latinos in the US self-identify as white in addition to their ethnicity), and of course black.

Thirdly, it doesn't really hammer home the right issues. The Latina woman's son gets dysentery a few minutes in and then there's a statement about paid time off. Those things have nothing to do with each other.

There's more to it but this game simply plays into the Trump camp thinking that the media is soft on rational thinking ... which unfortunately this game confirms.

I'm with her and will be voting in Brooklyn fwiw

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by AdamN »

carrier_lost wrote: post #7
ones_and_zeros wrote: post #3

I was excited to see this but this game is crazy partisan and does nothing but to further divide us.

It's in the Opinion section. It's not supposed to be an objective presentation; it's there to make a point.

It shouldn't have the NYTimes logo and it should be op-ed, not opinion in that case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by moduspol »

travmatt wrote: post #24
nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasoning on the other side is that you should do something to ensure the integrity of your elections. What stops non-citizens from voting? It's telling that the party opposed to voter verification laws stands to gain from the potential votes of tens of millions of illegal residents. As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws.

>As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws "A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast"[0] Seems like a pretty comprehensive check if you ask me. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

Yep. People very rarely get kicked out of the movies for sneaking candy in. As a result, we know for certain virtually nobody is sneaking candy into the movies. Pretty simple stuff, guys.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by travmatt »

nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #29
travmatt wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As far as I know, no one is checking outside of states with voter ID laws "A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast"[0] Seems like a pretty comprehensive check if you ask me. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

That article is referring to voter impersonation. What's to stop an illegal voter from simply voting under their own name and checking the box that says they are a US citizen? I'm genuinely curious. Is there any verification of citizenship in non-ID states?

Each state handles voter registration differently, although most ask for some proof of citizenship at some point. Also: """ Election fraud happens. But ID laws are not aimed at the fraud you’ll actually hear about. Most current ID laws (Wisconsin is a rare exception) aren’t designed to stop fraud with absentee ballots (indeed, laws requiring ID at the polls push more people into the absentee system, where there are plenty of real dangers). Or vote buying. Or coercion. Or fake registration forms. Or voting from the wrong address. Or ballot box stuffing by officials in on the scam. In the 243-page document that Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel filed on Monday with evidence of allegedly illegal votes in the Mississippi Republican primary, there were no allegations of the kind of fraud that ID can stop.

Instead, requirements to show ID at the polls are designed for pretty much one thing: people showing up at the polls pretending to be somebody else in order to each cast one incremental fake ballot. This is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens. """ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-com...

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by AdamN »

mantas wrote: post #27
nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is an ID required at all to register to vote in CA? I know they make you check a box to say you're a US citizen, and they ask you to provide an ID # if you have one . But is there anything to stop a non-citizen from voting?

What do they do to avoid double voting? Not asking for ID seems weird...

In NYC they have a big giant binder with all the registered voters in the precinct. You sign when voting so can only do it once (unless you vote out-of-precinct). It's extremely old-school but works totally fine.

Re: The NYT Released an Oregon Trail Style Game about Voter Suppression

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Post by mantas »

nomoreaccoubts wrote: post #33
mantas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do they do to avoid double voting? Not asking for ID seems weird...

In CA, they ask for your name and address when you vote and cross your name off a list.

Probably only citizens are on that list? That'd stop non-citizens from voting I guess.
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