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Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

> added a pretty UI to IRC

And they didn't even add it, Metalab did. http://metalab.co/projects/slack/

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

>I'm sure Slack will continue with much success now that they have their user base, so good for them, but to delude themselves into thinking no one can do it as good as they do is a bit naive. The problem is, Slack has a user base consisting mainly of people willing to switch to the "next big thing" pretty quickly. That's how they got to Slack, but there's nothing preventing those people from leaving to move onto som…

Slack just needs to deliver an on-prem version in the next 6 months.

I'm happy they have a reason to bother now.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Microsoft can just copy everything that Slack does right, give it away for a fraction or for free and there's nothing that they can do about it.

If they give it away for free (as part of office365), is that not effectively anticompetitive behaviour?

You're not required to use Teams on Office365. The anti-competitive behavior would be if you couldn't turn it off, and it had to be on due to core functionality with Office. Most people just use o365 for exchange and office apps.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

Agree that "it's a chat room" but it's also a chat room that's pretty well entrenched at this point, hooked into a lot of people's entire operational workflows thanks to API hooks and bots, etc. In short, they are entrenched and have done a great job of ensuring that the cost of switching is high enough that it's going to take a lot of justification to get somebody to take the time to make the move. All they really h…

Chat-bots are a dime a dozen on IRC.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

"So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky."

If only luck made slack, then doesn't that mean Microsoft will need to be equally lucky to succeed?

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I remember thinking this to myself about five billion times back when Twitter blew up right as we were all busy writing Twitter-like Rails apps for fun. Timing is everything.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Microsoft can just copy everything that Slack does right, give it away for a fraction or for free and there's nothing that they can do about it.

If they give it away for free (as part of office365), is that not effectively anticompetitive behaviour?

Microsoft has nothing close to a monopoly in this space, so no.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I'm really weirded out that people can't see the value Slack added. Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable. If I have been out of signal range on a train, I want to be able to look at history on my phone once I'm back in range of a cell tower. Beyond that, a well made UI for web, desktop and phone that is consistent is valuable. 'Adding a pretty UI' isn't a zero-effort or skill thing. No…

Email does the stored-history thing. So does every other mobile IM app I have (the built-in SMS app, Google Hangouts, BBM, etc.).

Furthermore, in the IRC world that's not uncommon either; Quasseldroid does this. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iskrembile...

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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It's funny that Slack thinks they've perfectly balanced a unique and special snowflake on the tip of a unicorn's horn when what they've really done is added a pretty UI to IRC. It's a chat room. With channels. So, sorry to tell you guys, but it's not innovative, it's lucky. We had chat rooms back in 1995. Yes, that scrappy startup Microsoft will not have too much trouble implementing a chat room and they don't need l…

I'm really weirded out that people can't see the value Slack added. Having your messages stored while you are offline is hugely valuable. If I have been out of signal range on a train, I want to be able to look at history on my phone once I'm back in range of a cell tower. Beyond that, a well made UI for web, desktop and phone that is consistent is valuable. 'Adding a pretty UI' isn't a zero-effort or skill thing. No…

Adding a backlog to IRC is something that has been around almost as long as IRC.

Bots to sit in channels to passively log; bots which act to send messages to people who are presently offline, at the time at which they come online again; and so on.

Adding a log to IRC isn't particularly innovative. Slack's value is almost entirely in its user engagement, not its technology.

Re: Slack may regret its letter to Microsoft

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Microsoft can just copy everything that Slack does right, give it away for a fraction or for free and there's nothing that they can do about it.

If they give it away for free (as part of office365), is that not effectively anticompetitive behaviour?

It's not anticompetitive if the actual product is easy/cheap to implement (especially on Microsoft's existing infrastructure). If they can do something much cheaper than Slack can, and they can turn a profit at a much lower price point. The Slack product has a lot of delivered value for teams, but that doesn't mean that they have a right to high margins or high costs.
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