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Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by adrianN » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #20

beaner wrote: post #12

I think there are a lot of legit complaints about the new announcements and lack of improvements, but this post seems pretty weak. Fn keys aren't really gone, they're just present in another form (the touch bar). The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports, and just plugs into the new one. Sure, a little annoying, but it doesn't exactly kill your workflow.

> The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports And the keikaku[0] is quite obviously to provide incentive for accessory manufacturers to build type-c native stuff, and eventually have an all-type-c ecosystem and little to no need for "dongles" (which incidentally should mostly be basic cables) [0] keikaku means plan

It's nice that you're learning Japanese, but why not use "plan" instead of adding a footnote?

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by sakopov » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

0x0 wrote: post #2

A maxxed out MBP costs €5000, which is $5447.95. And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, hdmi, magsafe, sd-card or usb. And you don't get tactile escape keys or function keys. Or Nvidia. Or even an OpenGL implementation from this decade! This show is over :(

Not an Apple fan by any means but I've just gotten tired of the poor build quality of Windows laptops and terrible battery life year after year. So I've been patiently waiting to upgrade my 3-years-old XPS to a MBP. Heard that the price range will likely be fairly close to the old generation of MBP. Well, what i saw today is just too cost-prohibitive for very little reason. I'm now hoping that Surface Book or the new XPS are worth the money.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by chrisper » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

malux85 wrote: post #29

striking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go, pal! http://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-17x-series 17in 4K IPS display, desktop-equivalent GTX 980.

Wow, I'm in love. Thanks.

Just know that Acer laptops have a history of overheating. I even experienced that myself.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by masklinn » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #27

Did they remove the USB port? That's pretty brain-dead stupid.

> Did they remove the USB port?

No, they put 4 instead of the old 2, and they quadruple up as charging, video and high-speed interconnect.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by annerajb » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

striking wrote: post #14

malux85 wrote: post #3

Can anybody recommend a good laptop to replace my current macbook - I would like 17inch screen, and runs Ubuntu ... bonus for NVidia GPU - I deep learn in the cloud but having a GPU to test on would be great. Anybody know of this mythical unicorn?

Here you go, pal! http://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/predator-17x-series 17in 4K IPS display, desktop-equivalent GTX 980.

If they just upgraded it to a 1080

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by tinbad » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

I'm genuinely amazed every time there's an Apple keynote and people act this surprised. With every major new release Apple has been taking away legacy and pushing forward, often compromising compatibility.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by 0x0 » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #28

0x0 wrote: post #2

A maxxed out MBP costs €5000, which is $5447.95. And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, hdmi, magsafe, sd-card or usb. And you don't get tactile escape keys or function keys. Or Nvidia. Or even an OpenGL implementation from this decade! This show is over :(

> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.

Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960.

Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!!

This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by masklinn » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #31

masklinn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The other complaint is just about ports. It's not so hard to have a dongle that has these ports And the keikaku[0] is quite obviously to provide incentive for accessory manufacturers to build type-c native stuff, and eventually have an all-type-c ecosystem and little to no need for "dongles" (which incidentally should mostly be basic cables) [0] keikaku means plan

It's nice that you're learning Japanese, but why not use "plan" instead of adding a footnote?

It's a joke/dumb reference from the internets: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/just-according-to-keikaku

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by SysArchitect » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:10 PM UTC

As a professional software dev/system architect using MacBook Pro's, I am excited about the new MacBook Pro. I'll miss the SD card for my amateur photography, but I'll live.

It's still got the 3.5mm for my headphones, with USB-C hopefully daisy chaining non Apple displays will finally become a reality, and thankfully my work has upgraded to using wireless technology for displaying screens in conference rooms (which works from OS X and Windows).

The new context sensitive function bar is going to take some getting used to, but I have been using Caps lock for escape for years now and OS X just got native support for mapping that.

Grabbed a USB-C to lightning cable while I was at it. Now I can just bring a single charger and charge either my Mac or my iPhone or both at the same time. I rarely use USB drives, so unfortunately I'll need a dongle for that, but it's not that big of a deal.

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I am more sad that there was no announcement for the Mac Pro/Mac Mini. Also no Apple display, instead handing that to LG, so it looks like Apple is pulling out of the desktop market (I wonder how long the iMac will last).

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Edit: There is one thing I will miss, and that is MagSafe. It has saved my laptop many a time in it's lifetime. I am hoping Apple builds a USB-C to MagSafe cable that provides the same functionality to save laptops from a tripping hazard.

Re: Apple, this time you made a mistake

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Post by smilespray » Thu, Oct 27, 2016, 8:11 PM UTC

neals wrote: post #13

malux85 wrote: post #3

Can anybody recommend a good laptop to replace my current macbook - I would like 17inch screen, and runs Ubuntu ... bonus for NVidia GPU - I deep learn in the cloud but having a GPU to test on would be great. Anybody know of this mythical unicorn?

Typing this from my maxxed-out surface pro 4, in tablet mode, while I do sketching on the couch, after having done some pretty intense Visual Studio Typescript debugging. I would recommand this to anybody. <3

Radical, dude.