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Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by iamdave »

jwebb99 wrote: post #22
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

> Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. But people are offended by seeing clinical images of nudity, mother feeding their babies, etc. And Facebook wants to placate all of their users so nobody has a reason to leave. Of course, they can't please everyone, but they'd rather make a fool of themse…

Why can't those people use the function Facebook designed specifically for this in the first place, the function I use whenever I see some stupid, insipid, high school grade political meme?

"Hide this post"

I'll take honest answers and snarky ones as well, provided the snarky ones come with a genuine laugh because with this DDoS going on this morning I could REALLY use a chuckle right now..

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by fnbr »

This reminds me of the incident with the Norwegian newspaper posting the "Napalm Girl" photo.

Facebook is trying to automate the detection of illegal/unwanted images, and it seems extremely difficult to detect the context of the image to the extent that you can differentiate between acceptable images of human bodies, and unacceptable images (which would be, I assume, the vast, vast majority of such images posted).

I wonder how they could proceed with this- maybe with some sort of anomaly detection, where you do a first pass to detect all images containing the unwanted features (e.g. naked bodies), and then a second pass to try and detect the activity that's going on, or to detect if the image is famous (e.g. a picture of David, the famous Italian statue, would be acceptable, while a photo of a naked man in the same position would presumably not be).

[1] http://www.siliconbeat.com/2016/09/12/sheryl-sandberg-respon...

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by typetypetype »

balls187 wrote: post #30
jacquesm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swizec, you're disappointing me with these comments. It's maybe related to how your culture views these things but women breastfeeding in public is (and should be) perfectly normal anywhere and if it makes you feel uncomfortable then I suggest the problem is on your end. As for you scratching yourself: that is not something for which there are no alternative options, however, breastfeeding a newborn happens frequentl…

Swizec was talking about using a Breast pump, not breastfeeding. I'm not sure if any woman would ever want to pump openly in the office.

> I'm not sure if any woman would ever want to pump openly in the office.

If it was more widely accepted and there was less fear for making coworkers uncomfortable, I believe most women would surely prefer to pump at their desk while they work instead of having to sit in a bathroom stall.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by mcbits »

geff82 wrote: post #14

As long as they remove breast pictures instead of pictures of beheadings (I complained several times as they appeared in my newsfeed, but they were always deemed as "ok"), our world is not going anywhere in terms of peace.

They do censor pictures of beheadings, even in "private" messages between consenting adults. Or at least they did several years ago.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by nsxwolf »

conatico wrote: post #19
protomyth wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The weird thing is I'm around a lot of conservatives in a conservative place in this country, you know, the people who supposedly are the ones getting offended. I haven't found one damn person who thinks Facebook is doing the right thing. I'm really trying to find these offended people, but I cannot. The Vietnam photo censorship was met with quite a bit of confusion since I think most folks misremember it being our h…

The only ones who are offended are the advertisers. As a far right winger, I can't see anything wrong with making sure our women are in good health. :)

But we hate women and their health, don't we?

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by pmontra »

ravenstine wrote: post #26
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

Why can't Facebook filter out whatever they want to filter out? I mean, you wouldn't want to see penises all over your feed, and not everyone necessarily agrees with you about the appearance of breasts(except me, I want more breasts on my Facebook), so I can understand why Facebook would make such a decision without necessarily deeming it as wrong. Nobody has to use Facebook. And their main criterion, "is the interne…

Well, nobody has to use cars, trains and busses, we have legs and we can walk ;-)

I think that FB is inside a fear bubble of its own making. They have to apologize too much lately and this hints to something wrong in their vetting process. Maybe too much imperfect AI or too much imperfect human judgements.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by nsxwolf »

balls187 wrote: post #30
jacquesm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swizec, you're disappointing me with these comments. It's maybe related to how your culture views these things but women breastfeeding in public is (and should be) perfectly normal anywhere and if it makes you feel uncomfortable then I suggest the problem is on your end. As for you scratching yourself: that is not something for which there are no alternative options, however, breastfeeding a newborn happens frequentl…

Swizec was talking about using a Breast pump, not breastfeeding. I'm not sure if any woman would ever want to pump openly in the office.

I've only ever known women that wanted a private place in the office to pump, not pump at their desks. I could be wrong but I don't think most women want their coworkers to see them pumping in their professional environment.

It's the law in Illinois that employers must provide such a place, and it cannot be a bathroom stall.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by Joof »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Just imagine the harm seeing a breast can do to a vulnerable young child. /s Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. It's a fine line between protecting your users from seeing offensive content and outright censorship, good to see them doing the right thing in this case, pity it is still on a 'ca…

I had the unique opportunity of visiting a nudist event recently. While children weren't allowed, some of the people had grown up in nudist communities. They are incredibly capable people with no trauma; nudity itself just isn't damaging -- not all nudity is sexual.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by balls187 »

typetypetype wrote: post #33
balls187 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swizec was talking about using a Breast pump, not breastfeeding. I'm not sure if any woman would ever want to pump openly in the office.

> I'm not sure if any woman would ever want to pump openly in the office. If it was more widely accepted and there was less fear for making coworkers uncomfortable, I believe most women would surely prefer to pump at their desk while they work instead of having to sit in a bathroom stall.

I kinda get the feeling like you are baiting me to mansplain...

Speaking from my own limited experience, my wife finds the whole process of pumping at work uncomfortable, regardless of what her coworkers might feel.

Having to carry dirty breast shields to the sink to clean, having to hold the bottles up to her (exposed) breasts (pump bras don't work for her), the fact that she may leak, the sound the pump makes etc.

> I believe most women would surely prefer to pump at their desk while they work instead of having to sit in a bathroom stall.

Forcing mothers to use a bathroom stall just seems cruel. In Seattle, it's now building code that office buildings provide a "wellness" room for mothers returning to work.

My wife's office turned an old supply closet into such a room, but it was pretty bad, and guys were using it to take naps (they would leave when she knocked on the door--but still what a shitty thing to deal with).

Once Corp HR found out about it, they got a different room that is a bit nicer, and installed a lock requiring a key. Even still, she will prefer to come home and pump.

Re: Facebook apologises for removing breast cancer awareness video

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Post by mcbits »

jacquesm wrote: post #23
jwebb99 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook needs to literally grow up, removing porn is one thing but clinical images, mothers feeding their children and such should not even be up for discussion. But people are offended by seeing clinical images of nudity, mother feeding their babies, etc. And Facebook wants to placate all of their users so nobody has a reason to leave. Of course, they can't please everyone, but they'd rather make a fool of themse…

> But people are offended by seeing clinical images of nudity, mother feeding their babies, etc. I've yet to meet someone like that. Are you offended by any of this? Is anybody else on HN offended by such images?

I've met and worked with people like that, whether it's from a cult upbringing, a personal traumatic history, mental illness, or whatever. I doubt they hang out on HN, but they probably have Facebook accounts like everyone else.
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