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Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

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Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

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post #29

I don't get the point of this. We already have a self propagating machine that can turn carbon dioxide into a useful carbon substrate that is stable over long time periods, and is a thoroughly proven carbon sequestration technology. It's called a tree.

The main question is whether there's a carbon sequestration process which can be industrialized so that it's more effective than planting trees.

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#32
post #15

> This process has several advantages when compared to other methods of converting CO2 into fuel. The reaction uses common materials like copper and carbon, and it converts the CO2 into ethanol, which is already widely used as a fuel. > Perhaps most importantly, it works at room temperature, which means that it can be started and stopped easily and with little energy cost. This means that this conversion process coul…

The abstract of the article includes : >Herein we report a common element, nanostructured catalyst for the direct electrochemical conversion of CO2 to ethanol with high Faradaic efficiency (63 % at −1.2 V vs RHE) and high selectivity (84 %) that operates in water and at ambient temperature and pressure. I am not exactly sure how to understand the 63% efficiency but I assume that this is the rate of conversion from el…

So basically: this is nice, but there's no reason yet to think that this could be the way we slurp carbon out of the atmosphere and avert climate catastrophe. Right? Drat.

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#33
post #10

Something that annoys me with these articles is that such processes are usually praised as carbon capture at the same time as it is energy storage. Well yes, but not both at the same time. And I really doubt its effectiveness as energy storage in the first place - why would you burn fossil fuels (with a loss), then gather energy with renewables to capture back the CO2 (with a loss) and then use the energy of the etha…

I wonder if it would be useful to harvest excess CO2 from the atmosphere. That way, you're using the existing CO2 as a fuel source.

Am I missing the sarcasm tag?

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#34
post #27

> This process has several advantages when compared to other methods of converting CO2 into fuel. The reaction uses common materials like copper and carbon, and it converts the CO2 into ethanol, which is already widely used as a fuel. > Perhaps most importantly, it works at room temperature, which means that it can be started and stopped easily and with little energy cost. This means that this conversion process coul…

Popular Mechanics isn't a science journal. It's the dead-tree version of clickbait.

Exactly. It's a bullshit mag

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#35
post #29

I don't get the point of this. We already have a self propagating machine that can turn carbon dioxide into a useful carbon substrate that is stable over long time periods, and is a thoroughly proven carbon sequestration technology. It's called a tree.

Plants capture about 1% of the incoming sunlight energy into chemical energy. We might be able to come up with a process that is more efficient.

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#36
post #29

I don't get the point of this. We already have a self propagating machine that can turn carbon dioxide into a useful carbon substrate that is stable over long time periods, and is a thoroughly proven carbon sequestration technology. It's called a tree.

The main question is whether there's a carbon sequestration process which can be industrialized so that it's more effective than planting trees.

Not sure we want to start competing with trees -- what if we get better than them at it? Do trees start dying for lack of CO2?

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#37
post #27

> This process has several advantages when compared to other methods of converting CO2 into fuel. The reaction uses common materials like copper and carbon, and it converts the CO2 into ethanol, which is already widely used as a fuel. > Perhaps most importantly, it works at room temperature, which means that it can be started and stopped easily and with little energy cost. This means that this conversion process coul…

Popular Mechanics isn't a science journal. It's the dead-tree version of clickbait.

It isn't anymore, at least. It used to have much more informative content. And Popular Science may have been a lightweight science journal at one time, but they've both since lost their way.

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#38
post #18

Something that annoys me with these articles is that such processes are usually praised as carbon capture at the same time as it is energy storage. Well yes, but not both at the same time. And I really doubt its effectiveness as energy storage in the first place - why would you burn fossil fuels (with a loss), then gather energy with renewables to capture back the CO2 (with a loss) and then use the energy of the etha…

Batteries might be more expensive than storing energy in liquid fuels. They have a limited number of charge cycles after all, whereas a vat of Ethanol can be refilled forever. There is also a large number of motors available that can burn Ethanol, but a significantly smaller number of electric vehicles.

1.) electric vehicles are also vastly simpler mechanically, so what you gain with energy storage efficiency in gasoline tanks you loose with their complex motors.

2.) if cheap energy density is the problem they want to solve, then this process at least needs to be compared to using the land to grow plants in order to turn them into ethanol fuel. So a comparison like "wind farm under average conditions + ethanol farming" vs. "wind farm under average conditions + solar under average conditions + CO2 to ethanol process" --> how many Joules of kinetic energy can you produce per square kilometer of land, given the fuel/electricity is used in the currently most efficient motors/batteries?

Re: Scientists Discover Efficient Process to Turn CO2 into Ethanol

#39
post #29

I don't get the point of this. We already have a self propagating machine that can turn carbon dioxide into a useful carbon substrate that is stable over long time periods, and is a thoroughly proven carbon sequestration technology. It's called a tree.

I do agree wholeheartedly, but the problem with trees is that they die and then they rot releasing all that carbon back into the atmosphere. It's a good start though! It be awesome if we had some sort of technology that sequestered carbon (where it be in the form of CO2 or wood chips, and sorted that carbon in a solid form effectively indefinitely. for trees to be a permanent solution, we would have to convert 50% of the land we use agriculturally to woodlands and and then better utilize the remaining land for food production. /shrug
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