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Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Cleaving off 40% of America is not a recipe for progress. When Trump shows his people how they're getting blacklisted from the economy, that isn't going to make them want to riot less . Our culture of progress has become entirely about excluding dissenters until they submit, and it's not working anymore . We've given up on convincing the people who have all the weapons, and now we're going to start hurting them econo…

Yep. My thoughts exactly.

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Nope. Not Ellen Pao. In my humble opinion she has zero credibility and I don't think she is a voice for the tech community. I mean at all.

This is the kind of knee-jerk dismissal that made me lose respect for the reddit community. What she's saying resonates with a lot of people, especially marginalized ones, and for that reason alone she's worth hearing out.

The problem is one side of that is ALWAYS marginalized, right? The difference is she's pulling support because it's her side this time.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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> His attacks on Black, Mexican, Asian, Muslim, and Jewish people, on women, and on others are more than just political speech; fueled by hate and encouraging violence, they make each of us feel unsafe. Let's assume that not only is Trump a rapist, but that he's keeping a few women tied up in his basement. Even in this scenario, is this worse than Hillary dramatically increasing weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and Qata…

You tend to ignore the fact that foreign policy is not dictated by one person alone. Yes the secretary has a lot of say, but not ALL the say in these matters. The decision to have those countries as strategic allies is a country-level decision. The sale of weapons etc. is a result of that decision.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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post #16

Cleaving off 40% of America is not a recipe for progress. When Trump shows his people how they're getting blacklisted from the economy, that isn't going to make them want to riot less . Our culture of progress has become entirely about excluding dissenters until they submit, and it's not working anymore . We've given up on convincing the people who have all the weapons, and now we're going to start hurting them econo…

>When Trump shows his people how they're getting blacklisted from the economy, that isn't going to make them want to riot less. How are they getting blacklisted by the economy? Project Include has the right to choose who they associate with.

>Project Include has the right to choose who they associate with.

As does anyone else who blacklists.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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> His attacks on Black, Mexican, Asian, Muslim, and Jewish people, on women, and on others are more than just political speech; fueled by hate and encouraging violence, they make each of us feel unsafe. Let's assume that not only is Trump a rapist, but that he's keeping a few women tied up in his basement. Even in this scenario, is this worse than Hillary dramatically increasing weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and Qata…

>is this worse than Hillary dramatically increasing weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and Qatar

Your premise is bogus. There's no reason to think Hillary Clinton is personally responsible for an increase in weapons sales, especially considering that such sales increased across the board under Obama.

>Hillary voting to invade Iraq

Her own floor speech before her vote said she was voting yes precisely to give Bush leverage to reinstitute inspections, not as a blank check to war.

The point is that geopolitics is complicated, and judging it in the same way as judging someone's private behavior is plainly absurd.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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> His attacks on Black, Mexican, Asian, Muslim, and Jewish people, on women, and on others are more than just political speech; fueled by hate and encouraging violence, they make each of us feel unsafe. Let's assume that not only is Trump a rapist, but that he's keeping a few women tied up in his basement. Even in this scenario, is this worse than Hillary dramatically increasing weapons sales to Saudi Arabia and Qata…

In one case you're talking about a person and their personal actions in a personal situation.

In another, you're talking about a person who is tasked with carrying out orders and directives to do what they think is in the best interest of the country regardless of their personal feelings about the decision.

I'm not saying I condone what our government has done, but I do understand that people in government are carrying out the will of an elected governance, even if they make stupid decisions in doing so.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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Based on the awful things Trump has said and (apparently) done, it should be blatantly clear to anyone remotely following the election that isn't your usual political rivalry. Pao is right: "this isn’t a disagreement on tax policy, this is advocating hatred and violence." Quite literally at times! (I might give a pass to the people following the party line or acting on incomplete information, but Thiel knows exactly…

It's easy to end up at authoritarianism when you combine access to everyone's information, and an inherent belief in your own superiority and ability to "make the world a better place." The real surprise is that we haven't seen more of it.
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