What's the name of the app? I am also curious to see how does the revenue figure stack up against independently verified download and usage stats?
Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
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Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#32Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?
as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd
no he said it was USD
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#33Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?
He posted the app name, but then removed it on the advice of other commentors in order to avoid the appearance of promoting his app.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#34Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?
as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd
Ukraine does not use dollars. Their currency is called Hrywnia. This is about 1600000 USD.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#35Can anyone backup those revenue numbers from past experience? Curiously, the application name was not posted. I don't want to call bullsh*t, but if the claims could be verified, the discussion can move on to how to actually deal with the situation. I believe there are Facebook employees on HN, would it be possible to bring this matter to the attention of the concerned people, if the claims turn out to be valid?
as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd
There is no such thing as Ukrainian dollar...
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#36In http://imgur.com/B86pJHi.png, what are the columns exactly, does anyone know?
The 7th column in particular, with the %-ages. If that's a click-through rate, then the numbers look inflated.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#37Posts this like are useless when the app and the ad placements in question are not known to us the readers, since then we can at least detect any real violations of Facebook Audience Network's policies.
Indeed , this. Probably the app is doing some stuff thats really violating the Facebook policy.. And the creater just doesnt agree with google.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's difficult here is as an outsider trying to determine the validity of the complaint. Facebook is a public company. As such -- and even more so than traditional public companies -- it interacts with a lot of people. Many of these people are scammers, sure. (I have no idea about this person.) But there are also a lot of people who just get screwed over by the algorithms. All rules-based systems have false positiv…
Well, if we give this guy benefit of the doubt, he says he's from Ukraine. Suing a US-based company from Ukraine would be extremely difficult, and it would have to start with an expensive lawyer versed in international law. To be fair, if it was me, I would probably ask on HN first too, mostly because there's a good chance the situation would resolve itself that way,without me having to go and talk to lawyers.
There used to be a job called "consumer reporter" at most major media outlets. Their job was to take stories like this, do a little research, and try to present a somewhat balanced story for the rest of us to consume.
There also was a Better Business Bureau, which had a job to take all kinds of disputes like this and serve as a "memory" for the public.
As far as I know, these mostly-local institutions do not exist in analogue at web scale.
We need them.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
as per reddit comments, it's 160k Ukrainian dollars, or a little over 6k usd
no he said it was USD
The original person (tihonovova) never said "USD". What you saw was someone else's (TheWhiteKnight's) comment on reddit.
However, the original person did use the symbol "$" and his Facebook screenshots used "$". So I do agree with you that he and Facebook do mean US dollars.
If it were Ukrainian currency, it would have said ₴160,000 or UAH160,000. Can someone from the Ukraine confirm that you would never write $160,000 if you actually meant Ukrainian hryvni?
EDIT: Oops, sorry, you are correct, he did say it. His comment was in a collapsed reddit thread that I didn't see.
Re: Facebook seems not to be paying app developer $160K in ad revenue
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not American. I read this sort of advice a lot here on HN and it always puzzles me. If I were to believe HN, the only way people ever do business in the US is through their lawyers. Or, at least, the moment there's some sort of misunderstanding or screwup there's always someone on HN who says "lawyer up!" and it's usually the top comment. Somehow, apparently, trying to sort things out the oldschool "hey we're bo…
> hey we're both businesspeople But you're not. Facebook is about a billion times more powerful than you. You're not peers. They literally won't even talk to you.
My question was more general. Immediately after the line you quoted, I agreed that for such a powerful and closed company like Facebook it might be the only option, because your last resort is your only option.