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Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by tomatsu »

tarancato wrote: post #26
tomatsu wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship is always abused. Once the infrastructure is in place, it's used for all kinds of things. They always start with the usual "think of the children" or "it's against terrorism" spiel, but sooner or later it's used to sweep anything inconvenient under the rug.

Most developed countries already have the infrastructure in place for fighting piracy, and I don't see it being used to "censor dissidents"

DMCAs aren't the same thing, but those are also abused to silence negative opinions.

If you give people a powerful tool, they tend to get funny ideas.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by kirushik »

tarancato wrote: post #18
custo15 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lot of them. You can see a list here: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/

That's... casinos and porn? Where do I sign up for a degeneracy-free country?

Do you see that red `1019855` in the top of that site? That's the number of "collaterals", sites which are not intently banned, but just happened to share some infrastructure with blocked ones, and suffering as well.

As a most clear example, there is 93.184.220.29, DigiCert's IP to serve revocation lists. It is banned since September 29, don't ask why. This basically means that GitHub, Facebook, PayPal, SUSE and ICANN websites all are either not opening or take 20-30 secs to load, depending on the browser. Degeneracy-free indeed!

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by beyti »

Raed667 wrote: post #30
beyti wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No message, just not responding.

Does using a VPN put people under any kind of threat like in the UAE?

Till today, I've never heard anyone sued over a situation like using vpn but I'm sure we'll see that in not so distant future. For almost a year, I've been forced to use vpn at least couple of times a month for a similar problem.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by oblio »

tarancato wrote: post #18
custo15 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lot of them. You can see a list here: https://reestr.rublacklist.net/

That's... casinos and porn? Where do I sign up for a degeneracy-free country?

People going to casinos are degenerates?

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by fixxer »

batuhanicoz wrote: post #17

This is so annoying for us. I'm not using Dropbox, Google Drive or OneDrive but GitHub is the tool we use the most as a software agency. We've set-up a VPN server for our team for the moment. Only good thing coming from this is that I've discovered a software called Pritunl today which made setting up the VPN pretty easy.

We feel for you! Those DDOS attacks a couple years ago against Github were only intermittent, but more than enough to annoy the shit out of me.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by [deleted] »

batuhanicoz wrote: post #17

This is so annoying for us. I'm not using Dropbox, Google Drive or OneDrive but GitHub is the tool we use the most as a software agency. We've set-up a VPN server for our team for the moment. Only good thing coming from this is that I've discovered a software called Pritunl today which made setting up the VPN pretty easy.

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Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by ChoHag »

hd4 wrote: post #8

There needs to be some kind of new censorship metric for governments, the weaker the government, the more they try to censor and hinder use of the internet by their citizenry.

The stronger the government, the more they succeed?

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by tarancato »

tomatsu wrote: post #31
tarancato wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most developed countries already have the infrastructure in place for fighting piracy, and I don't see it being used to "censor dissidents"

DMCAs aren't the same thing, but those are also abused to silence negative opinions. If you give people a powerful tool, they tend to get funny ideas.

I didn't say DMCAs. In my country for example I can't access The Pirate Bay. I just see a "webpage blocked" message. And that hasn't been used, yet, to silence opinions.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by clydethefrog »

kukx wrote: post #6

For those interested in what the leaked emails contained, here's a related article: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/redhack-turkey-albayrak-censo...

I feel this warrants an own thread or at least a discussion. "Troll armies" have been quite successful in quieting dissent the last years in Russia, Turkey and other authoritarian countries. There are theories Russia is partly responsible for the whole Trump spam on Twitter and Reddit. It's time this is taken as a serious threat instead of shrugging off "it's just the internet, 99 % of the comments is always garbage". It's part of a successful information war now when the majority of the public gets their news from social media, which take popularity as a metric for what news is important. It's propaganda behind a proxy.

Edit: also shame on Twitter for complying with Turkey. The time they were proud of being part of social change like the Green Revolution in Iran seems over.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by mediumdeviation »

hd4 wrote: post #15
andybak wrote: post #9

Excellent stuff. If someone can repost the email leak to every possible service they can think of - then the Turkish government will be forced to make a difficult choice between 'security concerns' and being part of the modern internet economy. I don't think they have the ability that China has to build enough services within their own boundaries to prevent the latter choice causing some pain.

Even China can only limit their citizens access to the extent that it doesn't totally hinder economic growth. They would never be able to completely insulate themselves from the "outer" internet without massive harm to themselves, the same goes for any country in this day and age. The risk of harm will always outweigh the minimal discomfort through free and open discourse that the internet inherently brings with it.

Actually what happens in China is that homegrown tech companies will take over the market space left by Western ones, which the government is perfectly happy to let happen because

1. It keeps the tech industry domestic

2. The servers are physically inside China, guaranteeing them access to the data

This is why I've always thought that the Great Firewall's purpose is not only censorship, but also a form of Internet-age protectionism.

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