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Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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My buddy Ryno - http://rynothebearded.com/ has a weekly podcast that focuses on music under a CC license. There are many great tunes available free of charge, and it's very strange that music falling under this license doesn't get more traction.

Thanks for the link.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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Cc is the open source of creation. I'm fascinated by the power of open source. capitalism pushed to its extream is harmful to humanity. Just look at junk food to convince yourself if you aren't yet. By its incremental enhancement, it leads to exponential growth. It is slow in the start because incremental steps are small, but it leads to a tsunami. I believe we are on the verge to see a fundamental change in the way…

>capitalism pushed to its extream is harmful to humanity. Just look at junk food to convince yourself if you aren't yet.

I've always seen McDonald's regarded as one of the heralds of capitalism, and I still can't find out why.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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Huh. I run a Creative Commons record label - http://recordsonribs.com - we distribute our music through an online distributor and have never even had a hint of a problem with it. We use CC SA-NC. This for us is a pragmatic question of distribution, making sure the music is out there and available to people who might want to listen, rather than an attempt to monetize. I can tell you know, the money received from streaming services is so unbelievably low that is most is either insulting to artists to redistribute to them or only covers operational costs (and then barely covers them). We are talking in the pennies here.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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post #14

Cc is the open source of creation. I'm fascinated by the power of open source. capitalism pushed to its extream is harmful to humanity. Just look at junk food to convince yourself if you aren't yet. By its incremental enhancement, it leads to exponential growth. It is slow in the start because incremental steps are small, but it leads to a tsunami. I believe we are on the verge to see a fundamental change in the way…

>capitalism pushed to its extream is harmful to humanity. Just look at junk food to convince yourself if you aren't yet. I've always seen McDonald's regarded as one of the heralds of capitalism, and I still can't find out why.

People like conflating "capitalism" with "consumerism" when it's convenient.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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Cc its really pretty nuanced you can have tunes you give away for free for people to enjoy but a commercial company would have to license it to use it in their film. I think CC Music is the future, not these crummy middle men services. Think about it, if you band is able to get shows where you have a $4,000 minimum per night off of "giving away" your music then you've won without having to sell a single song.

Note that your first sentence does not apply to all Creative Commons licenses, only to the ones with the NC clause.

>only to the ones with the NC clause

Which have significant problems. One of the smartest aspects of modern open source software licenses that's allowed them to become really widespread is that there's very little restriction by usage (e.g. only for educational use).

There have been attempts to better define NC in the context of Creative Commons probably going back a decade. But, in addition to the fact that it makes it a non-free license under OSI guidelines, it's really hard. The problem is that you either create hard and fast rules based on non-profits under US tax code or whatever (which allows some very large and potentially controversial orgs to use non-commercially) or you make essentially all non-trivial uses commercial. (Amazon referral links on your blog? Commercial.)

My personal belief is that CC should just eliminate ND and NC. ND prohibits remixing which was one of the rallying points around CC in the first place. And NC is essentially a feel good license that lets you be warm and fuzzy about contributing to the commons--while trying to make sure no one can make money from your work.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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As someone who isn't at all familiar with music distribution, is YouTube really the best way for indie artists to distribute, and monetise, their music? The audio quality seems a lot lower compared to Spotify, and I don't really want to waste bandwidth on a video just to listen to music while I'm working. On the other hand I've noticed some mainstream music is blocked for me on Spotify, but available on YouTube.

Soundcloud.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

#37
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you are implying that food which people like to eat (junk food) wouldn't be created in an 'open source' economy. Why?

its ok as long as people eat it because they like it... it gets worse when people resort to junk food because they cant afford fresh vegetables, and that is the sad reality for a lot of people as of today

>"it gets worse when people resort to junk food because they cant afford fresh vegetables, and that is the sad reality for a lot of people as of today"

I don't think it's the cost of the food/ingredients that get's people to eat junk/fast-food. Maybe when it comes to stuff such as sugary-drinks, yes. But for food, it's often the convenience that trumps the cost. I'd say that it's actually cheaper to buy fresh ingredients, and cook it yourself, than it is to go out and binge on fast-food.

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about monetization, but for distribution, youtube has a huge audience. A lot of people just listen to music on youtube because it's free and accessible. So I think it's fair to say you can have great reach on youtube. At the same time, I don't know about discoverability; if you're a small artist (nobody heard of you), your video is going to have very few views, and it's unlikely to be recommended for ran…

bandwidth is not a problem as long as your vid is just a still image

Additionally, if you use youtube-dl[1], you can oftentimes simply download the audio component of the video without ever touching the video.

The only problem with music on youtube is the variability of the quality and the ability to find good-quality versions of the songs you want.

[1] https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

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post #2

My buddy Ryno - http://rynothebearded.com/ has a weekly podcast that focuses on music under a CC license. There are many great tunes available free of charge, and it's very strange that music falling under this license doesn't get more traction.

This is a great podcast and they have featured our music a number of times!

Re: Online music distribution companies may not want Creative Commons music

#40
Actually I think this just stems from simple economics.

Monetization under online content-ID schemes (including relatedly serving takedowns under DCMA where required) all require the content usage rights to unambiguously be established AND verifiable in an automated fashion. Before an ad can be placed on a piece of content or served a DCMA takedown, the right to do so needs to be veirfied (eg. DCMA requires "good faith effort"), or they may get conter-sued.

With normal licenced content, that is easy to determine in an automated fashion - audio signatures will identify the potentially infringing content & then possibly some algorithms will check for fair-use - eg. length of the original song used, audio quality to eg. indicate it it's a production video or you recording your kid dancing, maybe even a human in the loop at the very end.

With CC licensed content, every piece of potentially infriging content needs to be human verified for usage rights & even then it may not be clear quickly. It is too expensive to hire an army of humans - so you would not support it at all.

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