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Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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I've always wondered this, but why don't we just scale up some data storage device? Like create a massive hard drive, 10 feet across? It has to be more efficient than tons of tiny little drives.

The cost of making high-precision surfaces goes up exponentially with the surface area of each unit. It's much cheaper to make lots of smaller ones than one large one.

The same probably applies for things like the actuator for the heads, etc.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

#32

I've always wondered this, but why don't we just scale up some data storage device? Like create a massive hard drive, 10 feet across? It has to be more efficient than tons of tiny little drives.

From what I understand, there are a few issues, including:

1) The head has to move further to read the next sector of interest, which is particularly problematic for fragmented data.

2) It is more difficult to manufacture high data density (AKA high-precision) disks in large formats, as some surface defects are cumulative, and get worse as the disk gets larger.

3) Manufacturing defects which occur pseudo-randomly increase proportionally to the surface area of the disk, so the reject rate increases as a square of the radius.

4) Smaller drives can be spun much faster, allowing for higher data rates, as the centripetal accelerations in the disk are proportional to the square of the radius (and I believe the stresses are proportional to the cube of radius).

For these reasons and many others, HDDs have been moving to smaller and smaller form factors.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Great photos but the default resolution is frustratingly small. Here are the links to the fullsized versions: https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1446837... https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1446872... https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1450070... https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1442533... https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1…

Thx. The slideshow presentation is also crap because the banner ad on top makes the whole page jump around.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

#35

I've always wondered this, but why don't we just scale up some data storage device? Like create a massive hard drive, 10 feet across? It has to be more efficient than tons of tiny little drives.

The I/O bandwidth would have to be tremendous. I'm not sure the technology even exists.

Or else split the I/O into a zillion little independent ports.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

#36
post #6

Do people think Facebook will ever enter the cloud hosting market?

It seems unlikely considering their acquisition and later shutdown of Parse.

I do wonder what that was good for. Parse looked like an interesting idea - before the acquisition, anyway.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

#38

I've always wondered this, but why don't we just scale up some data storage device? Like create a massive hard drive, 10 feet across? It has to be more efficient than tons of tiny little drives.

You know how hard it was to make the lens for the Hubble Space Telescope? Now imagine that you need to make it even more fine-grained in precision and accuracy as well as being electromagnetically within tolerance across that whole surface.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Pretty interesting. I love how bespoke data centers are converging along very similar lines. I'm sure if you were inside a Microsoft, Google, Amazon, or Facebook data center you would recognize the new design touch points. The old data center is dead, long live the new data center. This was the second big thing Google had learned early on: "The equipment is reduced to its basics so it runs cooler. It can also be easi…

I think the lesson came in earlier in the NUMA and MPP machines where they kept trying to cram more stuff on boards that were themselves pluggable into the larger system. This convergence has happened from several directions. It's not all the different from the earlier one that started in the 1960's where they fought cost and inefficiency by getting as few components per box sharing as much as possible. Moores Law te…

To your last paragraph, only relying on forgetting the keys works great, as long as you have absolute 100% confidence in the mechanism used to do that. I read your posts on HN often so I know you know you're quite familiar with defense in depth--I feel that user data is one of those areas where it's ok to do more than one thing to protect the data.

That said, there are a number of systems at FB where deleting a crypto key loses the linked data forever--but they still crunch the hard drives just to be really sure. The drive crunching is an incredibly tiny expenditure compared to the massive CapEx and OpEx required to build, stock, and run the datacenters. It's worth it if only for the peace of mind.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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post #6

Do people think Facebook will ever enter the cloud hosting market?

It seems unlikely considering their acquisition and later shutdown of Parse.

It's not shutdown, it's open source. There could still be a play there.
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