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What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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Perhaps this is partly why it’s so hard to stop cursing. I curse like a sailor, even though I'm consciously aware that it’s an unhelpful, unprofessional, unarticulated form of communication.

It's unprofessional, but not unhelpful or unarticulated. A close friend of mine and her mother are both linguists, both professionals (one a speech pathologist, one an editor), both highly articulate and highly educated. They both swear a lot, except in professional settings. They love words, and the speech path in particular loves shakespeare, poetry, and constantly has a book in her hand (these days, more an e-book…

There is a certain art to truly inventive swearing. Farming seems to be an exceptionally fertile ground for salty phrasing, colorfully descriptive word-images, obscene suggestions, and disturbing juxtapositions. I think all of my favorites I learned tinkering on broken-down tractors - although the Quebecois loggers and truck drivers added a certain Catholo-Gallic leavening.

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #22

Speaking of "fuck" I read a paper in the 80s (unfortunstally I've lost it -- it was back when papers were, well, printed on paper) that analyzed why you can say "fan-fucking-tastic: but not "fantas-fucking-tick". I wish I could find it again -- I'd surely understand it better now.

Is it because 'tick' is a word? Or because it's nicer to have 1-2-2 syllables rather than 2-2-1? Or because 'tic' is the least stressed syllable in the word 'fantastic'? And the middle syllable is the most stressed, so preceding it with 'fucking' feels nicer?

I find it very likely that it has more to do with the word "fantastic" than the word "fucking". "Fanta-fucking-stic" sounds very awkward.

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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Perhaps this is partly why it’s so hard to stop cursing. I curse like a sailor, even though I'm consciously aware that it’s an unhelpful, unprofessional, unarticulated form of communication.

I don't think it is unprofessional on face value. In fact, every 'professional (what does that even mean)' I have known curses.

If all you do is curse and never explain an idea, then it is simply a defense mechanism to not knowing what you're talking about. But, cursing is a great to way provide extra emotion to a topic. "The user experience is bad" vs. "The user experience is shit" does add value. But use shit, and if you add steaming pile on there really conveys that it is not just bad, but worse than bad.

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #22

Speaking of "fuck" I read a paper in the 80s (unfortunstally I've lost it -- it was back when papers were, well, printed on paper) that analyzed why you can say "fan-fucking-tastic: but not "fantas-fucking-tick". I wish I could find it again -- I'd surely understand it better now.

Is it because 'tick' is a word? Or because it's nicer to have 1-2-2 syllables rather than 2-2-1? Or because 'tic' is the least stressed syllable in the word 'fantastic'? And the middle syllable is the most stressed, so preceding it with 'fucking' feels nicer?

I would abso-fucking-lutely agree with your stressed syllable theory.

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #22

Speaking of "fuck" I read a paper in the 80s (unfortunstally I've lost it -- it was back when papers were, well, printed on paper) that analyzed why you can say "fan-fucking-tastic: but not "fantas-fucking-tick". I wish I could find it again -- I'd surely understand it better now.

Expletives are the only infixes in english! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expletive_infixation

Shibit!

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #28

I'm kind of surprised HN doesn't implement censorship of swear words. Also I worked at a company where Fuck was dropped all the time. I'm not sure why people think it's unprofessional.

I had a boss (in Brazil) whose last name was Fucks. She would had problems in USA...

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #22

Speaking of "fuck" I read a paper in the 80s (unfortunstally I've lost it -- it was back when papers were, well, printed on paper) that analyzed why you can say "fan-fucking-tastic: but not "fantas-fucking-tick". I wish I could find it again -- I'd surely understand it better now.

Expletives are the only infixes in english! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expletive_infixation

Three days ago I was scanning Unicode (looking for useful characters for a roguelike, as one does), came across the metrical triseme (⏗), tetraseme (⏘) and pentraseme (⏙) in the Miscellaneous Symbols section, and added them to wikipedia. As far as I could ascertain, these are used to indicate scansion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scansion#Other_symbols - which is apparently primarily a term used to describe rhythm and meter in a poetic context. However, the Expletive infixation page uses the alternate term prosody in perhaps more of a formal linguistic sense. PS: prosody & scansion. Certainly on the cryptic crossword one of these decades...

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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post #28

I'm kind of surprised HN doesn't implement censorship of swear words. Also I worked at a company where Fuck was dropped all the time. I'm not sure why people think it's unprofessional.

Heavy profanity can make you sound like you are constantly angry, or it at least imparts some shock value, by design.

It _seemed_ to also be a turnoff when dating (and interviewing?), limiting the field. Not 100% sure.

Re: What the F? What swearing reveals about language and ourselves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expletives are the only infixes in english! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expletive_infixation

Three days ago I was scanning Unicode (looking for useful characters for a roguelike, as one does), came across the metrical triseme (⏗), tetraseme (⏘) and pentraseme (⏙) in the Miscellaneous Symbols section, and added them to wikipedia. As far as I could ascertain, these are used to indicate scansion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scansion#Other_symbols - which is apparently primarily a term used to describe rhythm…

Makes me wonder what would happen if English had a deprecation system like programming. "Prosody @deprecated - to be removed in 2017."
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