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VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by MaysonL »

serge2k wrote: post #12

> While everyone has a right to express his or her political opinion We'll just try to blackmail your company into stifling political thought. On the other hand, who would want to work with a company lead by a racist? > "I absolutely support him doing whatever he wants politically if it's legal. To take any other position is against American values." Also disagree with this. Refusing to work with someone because of t…

+1 for sentiment, upvoted.

-1 for spelling (led is the past tense of lead). Not downvoted.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by mzw_mzw »

leereeves wrote: post #27
serge2k wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say this was fighting bigotry, I said it's acceptable to refuse to do business with bigots and to call them out. > Democracy works when anyone can express their political voice without suffering for it. I wouldn't advocate for violence or oppression of political beliefs. It's entirely valid to refuse to remain idle in the face of bigotry. If someone opens a shop up and puts up a sign that says "No gays" then…

But would you fight all bigotry? If a group of black people said "No Whites", would you fight that? Or if women opened a store (or a gym) and said "No Men"? Or if Latinos started a scholarship fund and said "Only Latinos may apply"? Would you call out racism if someone didn't support Ben Carson, or sexism if they opposed Carly Fiorina, or sexism if they joked about Trump's "hands"?

To ask the question is to answer it, as the man says.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by deanCommie »

bhhaskin wrote: post #11
ultra12 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

People quickly forget that Palmer is a private citizen. He is free to have what ever political views he wants. I could some what understand if it was Oculus, but it is not. Oculus has nothing to do with Palmers political views.

CEOs/Founders of multi-billion dollar companies are more than private citizens. They are visionaries and metaphors for their vision. People associate the entire company with the idea of the person. Not always, but certainly in many cases. For the longest time, and especially before the Facebook acquisition in the minds of most people, Oculus == Palmer, and part of the incredible appeal of Oculus was that it wasn't the product of a multinational conglomerate but felt like it came out of some dude's backyard.

When people support a kickstarter/home-grown project they are supporting more than the idea - they are supporting the person behind the idea as well.

So you better believe that the political views of such people have an impact on the perception and success of their companies.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by gd1 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #25
serge2k wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say this was fighting bigotry, I said it's acceptable to refuse to do business with bigots and to call them out. > Democracy works when anyone can express their political voice without suffering for it. I wouldn't advocate for violence or oppression of political beliefs. It's entirely valid to refuse to remain idle in the face of bigotry. If someone opens a shop up and puts up a sign that says "No gays" then…

You should be able you express your own opposite political view in a proper manner, forcibly disturbing their business is not any different than some bigots doing the same to a black owned business. For the most part if some one puts a sign that says "no gays allowed" it should be handled through anti-discriminatory actions set by law. A proper action in this case would be to contact the authorities, write an opinion…

>I really wonder what happened to the ideal of free speech and appreciating the fact that you can be "offended" and having your opinions challenged as a healthy sign of living in a pluralistic and free society.

It's dead

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by sctb »

leereeves wrote: post #17
serge2k wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this have to do with the article?

Just pointing out that there is hate on both sides, and while Hillary and her supporters are quick to condemn 25% of the country as "deplorable white-supremacists", she has nothing to say about things like this: > Keith Lamont Scott’s Brother Calls All White People ‘Devils’ http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/keith-lamont-scotts-brother-wh... Or this: http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/charlotte-riots-video-white-ma...

Please don't lob drive-by inflammatory comments into discussion threads on Hacker News, it ruins them for everyone.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by will_doz »

ultra12 wrote: post #5
will_doz wrote: post #4

It boggles my mind that people think this is okay, but when a business that doesn't agree with gay marriage and won't bake a cake, it needs government intervention (as long as they don't refuse a gay person from purchasing any cake, it should be well within their rights). These developers are using bullying tactics to try to punish the Oculus developer for merely having an opinion. It only makes me want to vote for T…

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

"someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them."

Well, if you look at the few cases that have happened in the last year, the business owners were forced, by law, to bake a cake.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to...

"It is also my right to not buy a cake from them."

You're right, it is. But we aren't talking about many individual people deciding this. It's one person (or a few people) getting together an army of people to go against a cause they disagree with. It is now acceptable to bully someone you don't like to get them fired, call them the worst names in the world, ostracize them from society, and ruin their main source of income. Tolerance is no longer accepted. There needs to be complete subjugation at metaphorical gunpoint.

Social media (and our current leadership) have only encouraged this behavior. Twitter will allow BLM protesters to gleefully talk about murdering police officers, but then ban a conservative pundit from trying to honestly talk about their opinion on the real problems in the black community.

Our freedoms and rights are being slowly eroded away and small authoritarian groups are deciding how we should live our lives. Because our leaders won't admit this is becoming a problem (and some are even using the exact same tactics), the people like me that feel like my voice is never heard have to go to people like Trump. I don't really agree with everything Trump stands for..and I don't even know if he will be a good leader, but I just want to put a stop to this politically correct bullshit that is destroying our society.

The sad part is many people don't want to admit they are voting for Trump, because their house/car will get vandalized. A guy on my street had a Trump sign stolen multiple times, his house spray painted, and his mailbox destroyed. All because of his political views.

At this point, there is nothing that will change my vote because Hillary is a vote for the same bullshit I'm seeing now.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by adamrezich »

poshli wrote: post #24

I wonder why FB didn't pull Luckey aside at company purchase time and say "ok you're worth a LOT of money now, time to delete the reddit account."

I wonder if this whole debacle is just FB throwing Luckey under the bus.

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by leereeves »

sctb wrote: post #35
leereeves wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just pointing out that there is hate on both sides, and while Hillary and her supporters are quick to condemn 25% of the country as "deplorable white-supremacists", she has nothing to say about things like this: > Keith Lamont Scott’s Brother Calls All White People ‘Devils’ http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/keith-lamont-scotts-brother-wh... Or this: http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/charlotte-riots-video-white-ma...

Please don't lob drive-by inflammatory comments into discussion threads on Hacker News, it ruins them for everyone.

I think it's relevant given that the subject of this post was people boycotting someone for supporting Trump.

Not that I think Trump is a good person, but it's worth remembering the double standards that allow the left to feel morally superior even as they act "deplorably".

Re: VR Devs Pull Support for Oculus Rift Until Palmer Luckey Steps Down

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Post by undersuit »

undersuit wrote: post #7
leereeves wrote: post #2

Rioters are burning down Charlotte, Hillary hasn't said a thing (except to doubt the police), but Donald Trump is the problem? > "I'm not saying all the people, but we've got the instigators that are coming in from the outside. They were coming in on buses from out of state. If you go back and look at some of the arrests that were made last night. I can about say probably 70% of those had out-of-state IDs. They're no…

Criminals I tell you. /s For all those that don't know about the geography of Charlotte, NC the city exists along the North Carolina/South Carolina border. https://mecksheriffweb.mecklenburgcountync.gov/Arrest/Detail... Rock City, SC resident. Reason for arrest: FAIL TO DISPERSE ON COMMAND

In fact it's not 70% out of town but more like 70% Charlotte residents and 30% surrounding areas. The citizens of Charlotte and the surrounding areas are the rioters violent or not.

>“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte/Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday.[1]

I think it's important that this fact is known. The Union Official who does not represent the Charlotte Police Department is trying to frame it as Charlotte versus the outside agitators.

[1] http://fair.org/home/far-right-runs-with-outside-agitator-li...

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