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Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area.

As people exercise that preference by moving around, they will create enclaves where certain groups dominate.

http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg...

http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/12/an-immersive-game-show...

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

#32

All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. As people exercise that preference by moving around, they will create enclaves where certain groups dominate. http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/12/an-immersive-game-show...

>All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area.

If that was the case (or enough), we wouldn't have this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_steering

and this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_segregation_in_the_Uni...

I don't think many blacks care of being a "small minority" on a posh white neighborhood...

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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'According to the Brookings report, "more than half of blacks would need to move to achieve complete integration". Some have pointed out that the wording of this part of the report itself highlights the challenges in these issues - why can't this be measured in the number of whites who would have to move?' Because that would be a much less catchy soundbite. Assuming a 1:1 black-white switch, and that the population o…

Assuming a simplistic model where households swap locations (without handling population growth and new housing), a black household would have to move for every white household that moves.

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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post #12

The town where I live (SoCal) has 14 elementary schools. Only two of them are between 20% and 80% hispanic student population, with the other 12 in the outer two quintiles. At least some of this is due to economic reasons. It's about $200k extra on a 3BR house to go from a "bad" school zone to a "good" school zone. That has fall-on effects that includes gerrymandering. The school boundaries are very much not compact.…

It's a vicious cycle: good schools -> increase demand -> high home prices -> affluent residents -> more tax revenue -> better schools -> repeat The reverse happens with bad schools.

Is school funding distributed in such a small district that tax revenue in the district itself affects the school budget?

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

#36
Originally from Canada, now in the USA. I've noticed palpable distrust and hatred on both sides of the street. Its not just that whites are racist against blacks, its the total breakdown of trust on both sides of the coin, leading to social exclusion. Just as a black person may have trouble breaking into a white man's only club, a white person would have no possibility of entering black only spheres w/o experiencing racism as well. IMO the only solution is deeply intentional integration such that all classes and colors begin to experience all aspects of life together, ultimately including marriage and child birth. Until we see "them" as "us" there will be allegiances.

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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post #32

All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. As people exercise that preference by moving around, they will create enclaves where certain groups dominate. http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/12/an-immersive-game-show...

> All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. If that was the case (or enough), we wouldn't have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_steering and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_segregation_in_the_Uni... I don't think many blacks care of being a "small minority" on a posh white neighborhood...

Not necessarily. It's possible for individuals to not want to be a small minority in their local area and for real estate brokers to steer them away from the area. There's no rule against overkill.

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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For those who don't live here I'd say a majority of the places, at least here on the east coast, don't follow this trend. This definitely isn't the case where I grew up, in New Jersey, and is absolutely incorrect for New York City. I'd hope that this article would have done a better job in explaining that this isn't the rule but that these are a few exceptions to such.

>and is absolutely incorrect for New York City

NYC is 14 million people -- bigger than lots of whole countries. There are tens of states smaller than it.

Think instead of this trend in NYC as divided into boroughs and neighbourhoods. How many blacks with 5th avenue apartments overlooking the park?

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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post #32

All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. As people exercise that preference by moving around, they will create enclaves where certain groups dominate. http://nifty.stanford.edu/2014/mccown-schelling-model-segreg... http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/12/an-immersive-game-show...

> All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. If that was the case (or enough), we wouldn't have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_steering and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_segregation_in_the_Uni... I don't think many blacks care of being a "small minority" on a posh white neighborhood...

Racial steering could simply be the result of real estate agents recognizing the tendencies of people's preferences and prioritizing the showing of units that are the likeliest to be a good fit.

Re: Why don't black and white Americans live together?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All you need for self-segregation to occur is that individuals don't want to be a small minority in their local area. If that was the case (or enough), we wouldn't have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_steering and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_segregation_in_the_Uni... I don't think many blacks care of being a "small minority" on a posh white neighborhood...

Not necessarily. It's possible for individuals to not want to be a small minority in their local area and for real estate brokers to steer them away from the area. There's no rule against overkill.

Possible yes. The case? I doubt.
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