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Vector is now called Riot

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Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

SamWhited wrote: post #24
swsieber wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mmm... I wouldn't quite call it silly. The protocol does support better stuff than XMPP. We're talking about single view notifications across multiple clients and other goodies sometimes implemented by XMPP plugins . And quite frankly from what I've heard the plugins are a pain. I do think a fresh break is what's needed.

I don't disagree that XMPP has problems, like anything, but having multiple federated protocols defeats part of the purpose of federation. Also, as far as I can tell, Matrix just carried over most of the same problems because they don't have 20 years of fixing edge cases and making sure things are scalable and easy. I'm not sure why plugins would be a pain; I'm sure making recommendations could be done better, but ot…

sigh

The Matrix developers have responded to this, explaining how Matrix is different from XMPP, and why they chose to write their own protocol.

https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-the-differen...

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by nerveband »

What's this trend of websites making it hard to find screenshots of their app off the bat? Should I really have to sign up just to see how your interface functions/flows?

Also, the link to view the main site is tiny and easily forgettable. I think the site could benefit from a stronger CTA that directs you to what I should do.

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by vertex-four »

SamWhited wrote: post #20
sparkiegeek wrote: post #10

Anyone else reminded of https://xkcd.com/927/ ?

Absolutely; as much as the Matrix people claim they're not doing that by "interoperating with other protocols" they don't seem to understand that it's exactly what they're doing. The existing standards (XMPP) already interop in exactly the same way (gateways/transports), so making another protocol instead of improving the gateway / transport story on an existing one is just silly.

Matrix is group-chat-first ("direct messages", or one-to-one messages, are actually just implemented as an unnamed group with two people in it), while XMPP's group chat support is in a rather unwieldy extension (as with a lot of XMPP's functionality).

Matrix also builds on existing standards with decent libraries available for things like voice/video chat, and is web- and mobile-first. There's integration of arbitrary client-defined "push services" built into the protocol, which Riot uses to push events from a Matrix server through Google and Apple's cloud device messaging services to save battery, all without the Matrix server having to know the details of how those push systems work. Also, I can do web-based single sign-on through my CAS server, and all the variations of Riot handle it perfectly.

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by mynewtb »

amandine wrote: post #9
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #2

that... is a way less appropriate name. But it works, I guess.

How so less appropriate? Lack of link to Matrix? Going out of beta we had to decide on something which was really carrying what the app is, we loved Vector but it has always been a code-name and a nice pun on Matrix :) Riot is more representative of what the app can do and its ambitions! Break the barriers between apps, give the control back to the user to choose their client, if they want to encrypt, host themselves…

People probably associate the word with people rioting in the street which is a terrible link...

I don't get why you would rename Vector, feels like everyone recommending 'Vector' to friends and family has wasted their time.

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by huntermeyer »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #27
cantagi wrote: post #26

> "Riot is more than a messaging app" This said to me "Riot is just a messaging app" and I bounced. I'd recommend changing that tagline to indicate briefly why a user might use Riot instead of Slack or Whatsapp

Riot is based on Matrix. If you scrolled down, it would tell you that it's got strong crypto, you can run your own servers, it's got really good cross-protocol bridges, and a ton of other stuff. And it's totally free, save the cost of running your own server if you choose to do so.

For me at least, those features would make for a stronger CTA and incentive to use it.

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by amandine »

nerveband wrote: post #32

What's this trend of websites making it hard to find screenshots of their app off the bat? Should I really have to sign up just to see how your interface functions/flows? Also, the link to view the main site is tiny and easily forgettable. I think the site could benefit from a stronger CTA that directs you to what I should do.

yup screenshots will be added to the website.

But no need to signup to play with it :) Full guest access available! Come and chat: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#riot:matrix.org

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by kmfrk »

I know this is every Hacker News comment ever, but I genuinely don't have a good idea of what the app is like after using the site and watching the video. :/

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by ajacksified »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #31
SamWhited wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that XMPP has problems, like anything, but having multiple federated protocols defeats part of the purpose of federation. Also, as far as I can tell, Matrix just carried over most of the same problems because they don't have 20 years of fixing edge cases and making sure things are scalable and easy. I'm not sure why plugins would be a pain; I'm sure making recommendations could be done better, but ot…

sigh The Matrix developers have responded to this, explaining how Matrix is different from XMPP, and why they chose to write their own protocol. https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-the-differen...

sigh

As parent said, XMPP covers all of these cases with plugins. The FAQ you link says, over and over again, "the base setup doesn't cover these features, but plugins do," and doesn't explain away writing improved plugins or XMPP spec extensions. All I see is "buttt it'ss haaaaarrdddd".

> Rather than fighting over which open interoperable communication standard works the best, we should just collaborate and bridge everything together.

Absolutely dripping with irony.

Re: Vector is now called Riot

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Post by wmccullough »

I have to say, if I was ever launching a product, I'd never even put a link for my product here. Many people in this thread are acting like overgrown toddlers.

Also, why is that some poor girl or guy can't use HN to link to a product without ten million of these:

"This is neat, but have you heard of my best friends app that does this already!?? links to Github"

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