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Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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I've seen a number of people wearing versions of this shirt: https://www.missionbicycle.com/store/home/gift/53-miles-burr... Although if Wikipedia's energy figure is right, that's a 2279 kcal burrito (which you could probably find somewhere in San Francisco, but...).

A missed opportunity there to have larger sizes with lower mileage.

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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This should not really be very surprising as walking is not very efficient. You should be comparing driving to cycling, as both are wheeled forms of transportation. Cycling is up to 5x more efficient than walking ( https://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/humanpower1.html ) So, if you compare driving to cycling, cycling wins hands down. And, this is with the artificially low cost of fossil fuels. If fossil fuels properl…

> Cycling is up to 5x more efficient than walking "Up to" doesn't mean much. Biking is explicitly considered in the original piece: > Surprisingly, from a pure energy perspective (using the methodology mentioned above), biking, walking, and running are the three most expensive types of transportation listed

Does it consider the health benefits and therefore reduced medical costs we would have if more people walked/biked?

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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Except your food expenditures are a sunk cost, and you can't replace them with fuel expenditures. This is literally comparing apples and gasoline.

Your food expenditures vary with the amount of work you do, no different than your car's fuel expenditures. They are most certainly not a sunk cost for this purpose.

But the argument could be made that the average American runs a calorie surplus so some percentage of the food/fuel cost could be deducted, for Americans, at least, no?

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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The data also ignores the fact that walking leads to a healthier lifestyle which means living longer, which is more costly than not living longer.

Yes, and one should also account for the reduced tax burden of dying younger.

But then you also have to account for the reduced earning potential due to dying younger :P

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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Except your food expenditures are a sunk cost, and you can't replace them with fuel expenditures. This is literally comparing apples and gasoline.

Also, driving your car increases maintenance costs on the vehicle, whereas walking decreases maintenance costs on the 'vehicle' (healthcare).

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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post #25

Not all fuel consumption is the same. Gasoline is way under-priced in the US when traffic, pollution and road construction costs are factored in. On the other hand, high quality, sustainably farmed produce is overpriced, most significantly from sustained subsidies for corn and the associated increase in the cost of arable land.

There is also the cost of getting the food to you. Often the most efficiently produced food will be produced some distance from you and a surprisingly large fraction of the cost will be shipping.

It would definitely be interesting to see the carbon footprint per mile of all of these options...

Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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post #16

The math on walking, at least, seems little off: 210 calories per hour divided by 2.5 miles per hour is 84 calories per mile, which is about 23.5¢ per mile. Also the cost of driving should really use the average fleet fuel economy of a country together with the fuel price in that country. That works out to a hair under 10¢ per mile for 2014 fuel economy and today's gas prices. The takeaways remain the same, though: H…

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Re: Walking a mile is 3x more expensive than driving, from a fuel perspective

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This should not really be very surprising as walking is not very efficient. You should be comparing driving to cycling, as both are wheeled forms of transportation. Cycling is up to 5x more efficient than walking ( https://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/humanpower1.html ) So, if you compare driving to cycling, cycling wins hands down. And, this is with the artificially low cost of fossil fuels. If fossil fuels properl…

> Cycling is up to 5x more efficient than walking "Up to" doesn't mean much. Biking is explicitly considered in the original piece: > Surprisingly, from a pure energy perspective (using the methodology mentioned above), biking, walking, and running are the three most expensive types of transportation listed

"Up to" is reasonable because it varies so much. Energy efficiency of cycling depends strongly on aerodynamics. A fully faired recumbent like you see in the human powered vehicle record attempts will do much better than a normal upright bicycle, probably better than 5x walking. Skin-tight clothing vs. normal clothing makes a big difference. Even shaving legs makes a very small but measurable difference. And because drag increases with the square of the air speed, aerodynamics is more important when you're riding fast. This contributes to the wasted energy on hills too, because you descend much faster than you ascend.

For these reasons it doesn't make much sense to talk about exact figures for energy efficiency of cycling without specifying what type of bicycle, what clothing, what weather conditions, what terrain, what braking technique, how much the rider weighs, their riding position, how fast they're riding, etc. The tires and the drivechain make a noticeable difference too.

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