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Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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Honest question: how many years do you think it'll be until embedded device manufacturers (routers, various TV boxes, wifi hard drives [1]) ship recent kernels? A $200 modem/router bought 6 months ago ships with a hacked up version of 2.6.36.4 that's barely buildable - mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP [2]. 1: http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/do…

Check out Turris Omnia [1]. It's open-software open-hardware router with automatic updates.

1: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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post #31

Honest question: how many years do you think it'll be until embedded device manufacturers (routers, various TV boxes, wifi hard drives [1]) ship recent kernels? A $200 modem/router bought 6 months ago ships with a hacked up version of 2.6.36.4 that's barely buildable - mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP [2]. 1: http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/do…

Check out Turris Omnia [1]. It's open-software open-hardware router with automatic updates. 1: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/

I did see this, has it shipped? At the time I needed a new modem as I was stuck on ADSL, but I've since (luckily) been upgraded to a fibre connection that only requires something that can speak PPPoE.

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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post #30

Honest question: how many years do you think it'll be until embedded device manufacturers (routers, various TV boxes, wifi hard drives [1]) ship recent kernels? A $200 modem/router bought 6 months ago ships with a hacked up version of 2.6.36.4 that's barely buildable - mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP [2]. 1: http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/do…

You have to look at it from their perspective. Why spend money updating something that works? The number of people who care that their device firmware uses a recent Linux kernel version is so infinitesimally small satisfying them wouldn't even move the needle on sales and you apparently bought one any ways so why should they care? If you want hardware you can tinker with build your own from parts you know work with r…

I've been told I bought the wrong device repeatedly. Annoyingly a day after I bought it, I didn't need the ADSL modem any more. For years, I needed Broadcom ADSL chipsets to get >5 megabit downstream at home, but my next upgrade will probably be a separate router and WiFi AP.

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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You have to look at it from their perspective. Why spend money updating something that works? The number of people who care that their device firmware uses a recent Linux kernel version is so infinitesimally small satisfying them wouldn't even move the needle on sales and you apparently bought one any ways so why should they care? If you want hardware you can tinker with build your own from parts you know work with r…

I've been told I bought the wrong device repeatedly. Annoyingly a day after I bought it, I didn't need the ADSL modem any more. For years, I needed Broadcom ADSL chipsets to get >5 megabit downstream at home, but my next upgrade will probably be a separate router and WiFi AP.

The telcos and cable companies don't want to provision subscriber provided modems so they come up with the BS excuse about unsupported equipment to screw their customers over.

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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Depends on the hardware and the amount of effort you put in. If you stick to purely Intel chips (cpu, gpu and wifi) if you spend the 5 minutes it takes to get powertop happy then you end up with equivalent battery life to windows. (Basing this on thinkpad t440 and thinkpad t450). On my AMD APU laptop, I have been unable to get battery life to be similar to windows.

Sadly this isn't quite the case with skylake IGPU, there's a ton of issues with power management options rendering the system very unstable or down right unusable. Also worth noting is that NVME ssd power management is flat out unsupported resulting in additional 3W power draw on DELL XPS 13 pcs out of the 6W that's currently possible with stable power options enabled.

I am treating Skylake as a generation of intel chips to completely avoid.

I do have a Surface pro 4 with a skylake chip in it and even Microsoft appears to have struggled with power management on that chip. The Skylake NUCs have also been plagued by multiple issues. I briefly looked into getting one, but the issues scared me away.

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

#37

Honest question: how many years do you think it'll be until embedded device manufacturers (routers, various TV boxes, wifi hard drives [1]) ship recent kernels? A $200 modem/router bought 6 months ago ships with a hacked up version of 2.6.36.4 that's barely buildable - mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP [2]. 1: http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/do…

>mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP In that case, never. Trying to get vendors to open source anything is a hilarious exercise in futility.

If you want to help the folks who are trying to get vendors to open source their Linux drivers/patches, check out these pages:

https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/ http://gpl-violations.org/helping/

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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Check out Turris Omnia [1]. It's open-software open-hardware router with automatic updates. 1: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/

I did see this, has it shipped? At the time I needed a new modem as I was stuck on ADSL, but I've since (luckily) been upgraded to a fibre connection that only requires something that can speak PPPoE.

Do you get to plug the fibre strands directly into your own equipment?? Most places telco equipment must be installed and you just get an Ethernet connection.

The Omnia has not shipped yet, but production is starting soon. Their kickstarter was wildly successful.

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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post #31

Honest question: how many years do you think it'll be until embedded device manufacturers (routers, various TV boxes, wifi hard drives [1]) ship recent kernels? A $200 modem/router bought 6 months ago ships with a hacked up version of 2.6.36.4 that's barely buildable - mainly because the wifi chipset vendor refuses to open source their code and refuses to update the BSP [2]. 1: http://www.seagate.com/au/en/support/do…

Check out Turris Omnia [1]. It's open-software open-hardware router with automatic updates. 1: https://omnia.turris.cz/en/

Sadly that still requires non-free WiFi firmware :(

Re: Linux 4.7 Released

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I did see this, has it shipped? At the time I needed a new modem as I was stuck on ADSL, but I've since (luckily) been upgraded to a fibre connection that only requires something that can speak PPPoE.

Do you get to plug the fibre strands directly into your own equipment?? Most places telco equipment must be installed and you just get an Ethernet connection. The Omnia has not shipped yet, but production is starting soon. Their kickstarter was wildly successful.

I don't want to deal with blinding light at all. NBNco has contractors come put holes in your walls to install a termination box, then you get Ethernet out.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-home-or-business/already-con...

I don't really do hardware crowdfunding anymore. I was burned by the Almond+ device - "custom" chipset with no mainline support, ever.

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