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Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by 616c »

keketi wrote: post #10
codemogul wrote: post #8

Relevant and coincidental personal anecdote: 10 years ago I caught my x-wife in an affair as she was using this same method the communicate with her lover. Her choice of email address for the shared account raised alarms on my firewall, so it was a simple matter to track to her machine. While she had gone to the similar trouble to delete all records on Yahoo (coincidentally), she had been browsing with IE which, due…

David Petraeus and his mistress were using the same trick: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12...

I was recently bored and watched, after years of avoiding it, The Traitor (2008), with Don Cheadle as a terrorist ... or not so-terrorist. The movie was pretty bad (there's the real spoiler!).

In that movie, which I just check the date for, seems like one of the first pop references to the idea of sharing email drafts in a free email account without sending anything.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12...

Now, can someone prove me one better and find where this idea got traction? I honestly laughed watching that movie, wondering if Petraeus watched it years earlier, and thought to himself, I wonder if this will work in real life ...

UPDATE: I could, gee, also try RTFWPA! It refers 2005 reports of AQ using the same tactic, you know, where probably he got it from.

Or he got it from the movie, which would make me in a die a fit of laughter!

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by jacquesm »

cloudjacker wrote: post #28
jacquesm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I've run the mail server of our family for quite a while and it would never enter my head to read someone else's email.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

It may be strange to you but running a mailserver was pretty normal back in the day and even now I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I see a lot wrong in having just a few email service providers that get to dictate terms. There is arguably something wrong with how hard it is to properly set up and secure a mail server, but the concept of running your own mailserver is no different than running your own HTTP(S) server.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by quotemstr »

cloudjacker wrote: post #28
jacquesm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I've run the mail server of our family for quite a while and it would never enter my head to read someone else's email.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

I've been running my own mail server for years; it's on a linode VPS. I've had zero problems with my outgoing messages being blocked. I don't even bother with inbound filtering: spam is much less a problem these days than it was ten years ago.

Of course, I've configured my server to properly sign email, publish SPF records, and so on. My server may be small, but god damn it, it's top notch.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by dang »

falsestprophet wrote: post #22

It's really touching that you trust your wife to be smart enough to not use the mail server you run for adultery.

We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. Normally I would let you know that personal attacks are not allowed on HN, that this is a bannable offense, and ask you not to do it again. But in your case we already did that.

Edit: I reversed this because I'm not sure I interpreted the comment correctly.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12153922 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by CaptSpify »

quotemstr wrote: post #34
cloudjacker wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

I've been running my own mail server for years; it's on a linode VPS. I've had zero problems with my outgoing messages being blocked. I don't even bother with inbound filtering: spam is much less a problem these days than it was ten years ago. Of course, I've configured my server to properly sign email, publish SPF records, and so on. My server may be small, but god damn it, it's top notch.

Same. I never have any problems. There's even websites that will look at your domain to see if you end up on any blacklists, or if you have any public-facing misconfiguration. Easy to set it up once, and forget about it.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by Tobold »

616c wrote: post #31
keketi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

David Petraeus and his mistress were using the same trick: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2012/11/12...

I was recently bored and watched, after years of avoiding it, The Traitor (2008), with Don Cheadle as a terrorist ... or not so-terrorist. The movie was pretty bad (there's the real spoiler!). In that movie, which I just check the date for, seems like one of the first pop references to the idea of sharing email drafts in a free email account without sending anything. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/…

I enjoyed that movie, the ending made me laugh so hard!

Note that that doesn't mean it's GOOD.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by IgorPartola »

Aren't backups basically a guarantee that you can never ever delete anything from anyone's server? Even if you hit delete on an email/post/photo/etc. if they made a backup before then, your data will now forever live on in some vault or maybe just Amazon Glacier. I can't imagine that Yahoo would go and retroactively remove your email from their backup tapes/optical discs/offline hard drives/clay tablets that they use.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by Oletros »

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #26
Oletros wrote: post #24

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Why do you asume is communal and not property of one of them?

In the USA a number of states are de jure community property states. In those states, assets acquired in marriage, and appreciation in value of assets owned before marriage are both considered to belong equally to both spouses. Many other states are de facto community property states. There is often some sort of "equitable" division of assets in a divorce. In practical terms this often appears quite similar to the de…

Thanks for the explanation.

Can the members of the marriage(spouses?) change that?

Here in Spain some autonomous communities (like the states in USA) have community property as default and some others have asset separation as default but when one gets married can decided which one to use

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