So, then, best non-JVM alternate language for backend servers?
Go? D? Haskell?
Node (please, no)?
How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
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Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#32So, then, best non-JVM alternate language for backend servers? Go? D? Haskell? Node (please, no)?
I guess it is time to consider.NET. With Linux support and upcoming JetBrains IDE that will be the smoothest transition possible.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#33Now that .NET Core runs on Linux, there is an alternative at least.
Theoretical alternative, while I'm deeply excited about .NET Core on Linux (mostly for when F# is fleshed out) it's not got the massive ecosystem Java has yet and might not have for a while since Java on Linux (and others) has been around quite a while.
On the other hand ASP.NET on windows server has been around for a really long time.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#34In the world of Spring & Play, just JDK alone isn't good enough? Does evolution of J2EE really matter?
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#35Although I don't use Java much anymore (favoring Ruby, Typescript, Haskell, Clojure, etc.) Java used to be my world, including enterprise Java. Honest question: aren't there open source solutions for the best parts of Java Enterprise specs?
JBoss seems to work well enough. Er, Wildfly???
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#36I don't use Java EE since I know there is a thing called J2ee/Java EE – 10 years ago.
IMHO, Don't call self a Java SE if you just know how to configure some shity XML configuration files in Java EE stacks.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#37"It's a dangerous game they're playing," Not for Oracle it isn't.
I wouldn't invest (not even my time) in licenses and staff to work over a platform that won't be maintained in the next 5-10 years. Stability is better for business.
Oracle abandoned their database on z/OS in 2008.
And stopped to provide support a couple of years later.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#38Although I don't use Java much anymore (favoring Ruby, Typescript, Haskell, Clojure, etc.) Java used to be my world, including enterprise Java. Honest question: aren't there open source solutions for the best parts of Java Enterprise specs?
GlassFish as mentioned is open source. Other commenter also brought WildFly, but it does not implement everything. I think you'd need jboss EAP. And there's TomEE++.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#39So, then, best non-JVM alternate language for backend servers? Go? D? Haskell? Node (please, no)?
It depends on so many things.
From Ur/Web to PostgREST.
Re: How Oracle’s business as usual is threatening to kill Java
#40It seems like no sane people would choose Oracle for a new project. Is that a company milking its legacy contracts and buy new legacy product until they can't follow fast enough? This kind of business model is a drag on the whole ecosystem, just like Microsoft as a monopoly stagnated the whole ecosystem until Linux broke out.
> no sane people would choose Oracle for a new project
So what exactly would they choose instead for the role of high-quality relational DBMS (if DB2 for z/OS is not an option)?