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David Cameron announces resignation

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Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by jacquesm »

venomsnake wrote: post #8

As if the pound needed more beating today. Oh well he was not at the level of Disraeli, Churchill or Thatcher. He made that mess and didn't even had the balls to pull the trigger of brexit himself. All hail Boris Johnson. Crazy hairdos on top of influential Anglo Saxon countries is bull market it seems. We will live in interesting times.

> Crazy hairdos on top of influential Anglo Saxon countries is bull market it seems.

Let's hope NL will manage to avoid that.

In a way the 'brexit' may be the strongest shot in the arm for the rest of European unity if the consequences are quick and harsh enough. That would be a real pity for the people in the UK, but it may still have some positive effect.

And there is always a way back.

For now, this is a pretty black day in history.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by k-mcgrady »

dogma1138 wrote: post #24
gonzo41 wrote: post #10

So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave. The low turnout in Scotland and the lack of major involvement from the SNP during the final weeks almost seems like both the SNP and the Labour at least partially just wanted to sit and watch the worl…

>> "It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave."

I was pretty happy with Corbyn so far but his complete lack of doing anything throughout this campaign is embarrassing. I'm guessing he didn't want to lose working-class votes but that makes him as bad as Boris Johnson. Deciding the fate of the country base don what's best for his political career.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by tehwalrus »

actuator wrote: post #20
lossolo wrote: post #2

I just watched his talk. He lost. He fought that he can avoid crack in his party and anti-eu members will be pleased if he make this move - referendum. Then he thought he will get what he wants from EU and then all citizens will vote remain. He was wrong on all this points. He is the biggest looser in this situation and he really knows it.

With emerging talk of Irish unification and Scottish independence after the referendum, some legacy he is going to leave behind.

Irish unification would be a silver lining to this awfulness.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

#34

Post by DanBC »

tehbeard wrote: post #13
gonzo41 wrote: post #10

So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

Probably end up with Boris. Suddenly Trump doesn't seem so bad.

The Borris / Farage coalition feels like some ridiculous parody joke from "Day Today" / "On the Hour".

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

#35

Post by ivan_gammel »

dragonmum wrote: post #22
sz4kerto wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen, as opposed to probably tens of millions of people all around Europe.

The EU's common agricultural policy was actively favoring and subsidizing large EU based multinationals and blocking entry into the market by small scale farmers and producers in developing countries. Seems to me like a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade. So overall, this is probably good for hundreds of millions of people around the world.

Isn't UK going to protect its own businesses and jobs? Not everyone is pro-trade in Leave camp, afaik.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by anonymousDan »

tehwalrus wrote: post #33
actuator wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With emerging talk of Irish unification and Scottish independence after the referendum, some legacy he is going to leave behind.

Irish unification would be a silver lining to this awfulness.

As someone from Ireland I'm really not sure I could be bothered dealing with all the shit that could entail. Would prefer if they just went independent and joined the EU as a separate country.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by rjsw »

raverbashing wrote: post #19
m_mueller wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Swiss this argument kind of baffles me. Governing according to the people's will should be the norm in a democracy, not some kind of strategic play.

Yes. Because you're thinking like a Swiss Especially thinking that all decisions will be calm, collected and will result from evaluation of all sides Most people will base a vote on false facts, spite and stuff like "following their heart"

I suspect that a country has to have referendums fairly often for them to work as intended.

One problem in the UK was that people were answering different questions to the one asked.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by venomsnake »

jacquesm wrote: post #31
venomsnake wrote: post #8

As if the pound needed more beating today. Oh well he was not at the level of Disraeli, Churchill or Thatcher. He made that mess and didn't even had the balls to pull the trigger of brexit himself. All hail Boris Johnson. Crazy hairdos on top of influential Anglo Saxon countries is bull market it seems. We will live in interesting times.

> Crazy hairdos on top of influential Anglo Saxon countries is bull market it seems. Let's hope NL will manage to avoid that. In a way the 'brexit' may be the strongest shot in the arm for the rest of European unity if the consequences are quick and harsh enough. That would be a real pity for the people in the UK, but it may still have some positive effect. And there is always a way back. For now, this is a pretty bl…

I am optimistic ... The EU has leverage. And the revanche towards UK may unite the continent.

Also the Anglo-Saxon worldview ... and their laizes faire approach is incompatible with the continental worldview. I honestly believe that UK impeded European unity with their "special" status inside.

If the EU plays its cards correctly we may remove the U from UK, take in the parts, and then include England and Whales ... on our terms. Realpolitik is fun thing to play.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by gonzo41 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #24
gonzo41 wrote: post #10

So today Britain cripples it own economy for nothing. But hey, no more Cameron!. I call it evens.

It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave. The low turnout in Scotland and the lack of major involvement from the SNP during the final weeks almost seems like both the SNP and the Labour at least partially just wanted to sit and watch the worl…

I'm really not that invested in this. I just think it's amazing that Cameron would let it happen. What a massive mistake. And what a way to to end your career and cement in your legacy as the person who to get short term gain (ukip support) at an election with the cost of destroyed an economy.

I'm very my pro remain. People voting to leave is mostly about not understanding what your losing. Strong tightly integrated economies don't start wars with each other.

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