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An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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There seems to be a disturbing trend of Israeli developers creating software that crosses some serious ethical lines. A few offhand: this, an iPhone backdoor exploit they're hiding and have provided to the us government, I believe the biggest license plate reader developer is Israeli.

Can anyone speak to this? Am I observing this on some kind of bias?

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#32
I wonder how well this will scale with time. I've certainly done things while driving that were reckless to varying degrees, I suspect most drivers have as well. How long until 50% of cars on the road have been tagged doing something reckless? Of course I can imagine a number of ways to handle this.

On a more broad note, I wonder how useful it really is to know that a specific vehicle acted recklessly sometime in the past. Seeing someone behaving poorly is good reason to avoid them on the roadway. However I also imagine a scenario where one driver did something to warrant an alert, and some time later every car on the roadway is trying to avoid that vehicle. Is there really any danger from that vehicle in the current situation?

What I would like to see is a map showing where the most incidents occur, and what type of incidents occur there. I assume most drivers genuinely set out intending to behave well, but do not for various reasons. Identifying locations where incidents happen would give civil engineers some valuable data about how their designs impact behavior, and would give police valuable information about where their presence would be useful.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Assuming that insurance is correctly priced, buying a policy in any form is negative expected value. The companies that write such policies would slowly bleed dry if that wasn't the case. However, that's irrelevant unless you have the bankroll to withstand tail risk. Given that most people don't, as a society, you pretty much have to make things like auto liability insurance compulsory. If you're a "good driver," as…

> Assuming that insurance is correctly priced, buying a policy in any form is negative expected value Actually it's quite rare for insurance companies to record an underwriting profit, I believe. Their profit generally comes from investing the pool of premiums. If you invested your premium instead of buying insurance however, then I suppose the expected return would have to be better.

Yes that's totally correct but they're factoring the entire reinsurance/reinvestment pipeline into how aggressively they can price the policy in the first place.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Today I pulled into a turn lane and stopped alongside the car ahead of me to let them know their brake lights were out. Had to honk incessantly to get their attention. Then I waited in the wrong lane (no one behind me) to pull back into my original lane to go straight through the light. Probably would get a demerit from an AI for that maneuver.

Pulling into a turn lane, stopping alongside another car and honking incessantly is dangerous and against the law. The other driver was probably scared and trying to ignore you.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#35

There seems to be a disturbing trend of Israeli developers creating software that crosses some serious ethical lines. A few offhand: this, an iPhone backdoor exploit they're hiding and have provided to the us government, I believe the biggest license plate reader developer is Israeli. Can anyone speak to this? Am I observing this on some kind of bias?

This is probably just confirmation bias on your part. That being said, based on the political situation in Israel and the security culture in that country, it isn't surprising that many tech companies there would be developing tools that perpetuate that status quo. As a contrast, you would probably never see an app like this coming out of a hackathon in Gaza.[0]

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858963

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#36

I'm all for this. Especially in Bay Area traffic. It looks like about 95% of the time I get some tailgater because I leave enough room in front of my car to brake. If I dont' want to get tailgated, I end up tailgating. I seriously wish these people would either shape up or stop driving cars altogether.

Small issue to potentially give up privacy for. This is rather a job for the police and sensibilisation campaigns.

Also think of this way: if you both tailgate, and you have to brake, you will be hitting both the one in front of you, and getting hit in the back. If you don't tailgate and only get tailgated, you will only get hit in the back. (And have a way better defence for your insurance company.)

(PS I'm going to assume this is tailgating on the highway ?)

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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I've considered building something like this for bikes. For those who aren't cyclists, there are already informal networks of people who share helmet-cam videos of bad driving behaviour, with people who attempt to read license plates etc

In my experience as both a cyclist and a driver in the Bay Area, I have no interest in the opinions of other cyclists on driver behavior. Cyclists largely disregard the rules of the road and then blame drivers.

As a driver, I have been at the receiving end of abusive gestures and language even when following the law. In one case, I yielded to a bicyclist who was in blatant violation of the law[0], because failure to do so would have endangered him. He showed me his middle finger. Another was angry that I was in the bicycle lane making a right-hand turn, as required by law and common sense.

As a cyclist, I have given up trying to educate my fellow cyclists, and generally won't ride with others anymore.

[0]I was already turning through the intersection after having made a stop. The bicyclist arrived in the middle of my turn and entered the intersection without stopping for the stop sign.

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Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#38
Why won't the app report every tiny detail on the driver it knows best... You? This seems like a sure fire way to invite yourself to higher insurance rates and a big presence in every law enforcement database that tracks peoples' movements.

There'd have to be a very big reward for me voluntarily becoming Big Brother, and especially for tattling on myself.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#39

I wonder how well this will scale with time. I've certainly done things while driving that were reckless to varying degrees, I suspect most drivers have as well. How long until 50% of cars on the road have been tagged doing something reckless? Of course I can imagine a number of ways to handle this. On a more broad note, I wonder how useful it really is to know that a specific vehicle acted recklessly sometime in the…

I will go even that almost 100% will be tagged soon or later.

What we should be interested in is the top one percent.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

#40
The real purpose of this app isn't the rating system, that's just the hook to get people to run this app and point the camera out their dashboards. The real purpose is to crowdsource collecting data about the drivers on the road in order to sell that data to interested parties.
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