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Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by bryanlarsen » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

grandalf wrote: post #24

If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Most people want their laptop to be reasonably fast, get solid battery life, and have a nice display and ergonomics. Also important is power saving technology (sleep, hibernate, etc.) and storage size/speed. Most commodity laptops that are competing in the raw specs wars have major deficiencies in one or…

Logically, you're right.

However, when people spend a lot of money, they want to feel that they're getting a good deal, and they want to feel that they it will be useful for long enough to get their "money's worth".

It's these two mostly psychological factors that are coming into play here.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by trurl » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:41 PM UTC

grandalf wrote: post #24

If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Most people want their laptop to be reasonably fast, get solid battery life, and have a nice display and ergonomics. Also important is power saving technology (sleep, hibernate, etc.) and storage size/speed. Most commodity laptops that are competing in the raw specs wars have major deficiencies in one or…

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users.

Yeah, I think they call those people developers.

> A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work.

Except MacBooks max out at 8GB of memory. At this point 16GB doesn't cut it anymore for my development, so MacBook Pros and iMacs are out too. I have entertained the idea of getting a Mac Pro, except they are even more woefully out of date at this point.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by giarc » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:41 PM UTC

notatoad wrote: post #14

danpalmer wrote: post #7

The fact that journalists still expect Apple to announce hardware at a software engineering conference amazes me.

That expectation might have something to do with the fact that apple almost always announces new hardware at their WWDC keynote. For both google and apple's developer conferences, the developer conference part of it happens in the sessions after the keynote, and the keynote is mostly just a press event.

No hardware announcements at 2014 or 2015. Perhaps a new trend.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:52 PM UTC

trurl wrote: post #32

grandalf wrote: post #24

If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Most people want their laptop to be reasonably fast, get solid battery life, and have a nice display and ergonomics. Also important is power saving technology (sleep, hibernate, etc.) and storage size/speed. Most commodity laptops that are competing in the raw specs wars have major deficiencies in one or…

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Yeah, I think they call those people developers. > A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work. Except MacBooks max out at 8GB…

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Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by jonknee » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 4:53 PM UTC

overcast wrote: post #13

jonknee wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you, but iMacs are certainly more than a laptop integrated into a monitor (and a 5k monitor at that!).

No, they are exactly a laptop integrated into the monitor. Can I add a video card, or full size RAM, or internal disks?

No, but the iMac is significantly more powerful than a laptop. I cede you the video card, but there isn't a real advantage to full size RAM or internal drives.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by inputjoker » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 5:35 PM UTC

Macbook air is somewhat in apple terms an old technology(it's the best value for money imo). So there is a great chance that we won't see a refresh for macbook air. Pro 13 gets thinner and lighter taking over the air.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by taylodl » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 6:00 PM UTC

trurl wrote: post #32

grandalf wrote: post #24

If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Most people want their laptop to be reasonably fast, get solid battery life, and have a nice display and ergonomics. Also important is power saving technology (sleep, hibernate, etc.) and storage size/speed. Most commodity laptops that are competing in the raw specs wars have major deficiencies in one or…

> If you buy a laptop based only on raw specs, you are in a different market than the vast majority of laptop users. Yeah, I think they call those people developers. > A Macbook, on the other hand, just works, and works extremely well. It is a reliable work horse that does its job without complaining. The hardware and ergonomics fade into the background and you just focus on your work. Except MacBooks max out at 8GB…

Technically the Retina iMac w/27" display now support 32GB of memory, but it's not cheap.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by overcast » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 6:04 PM UTC

awinder wrote: post #20

overcast wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are exactly a laptop integrated into the monitor. Can I add a video card, or full size RAM, or internal disks?

You can't do video cards or an internal disk on the Mac Pro so not sure this argument makes sense

Yes I can, my 2008/09 MacPro has had just about every part besides the motherboard upgrading since, and it's still running strong. That's my point about the new "trashcan" ones, and no new MacPro TOWERS replacing them.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by jlarocco » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 6:47 PM UTC

What a whiny article.

My 2013 MBP is still working great, and I'm in no hurry for new ones to come out. I use mine mostly for my photography (RAW editing, catalog management, etc.) and it handles the 36 megapixel images from my camera just fine - I drag sliders and the changes show up in real time. I keep all of my RAW files on an external HD, so if I really needed things faster my first step would be to buy a faster one (SSD).

I also occasionally use it for development, and I don't have any problems there, either.

The most true statement in the article is that my next laptop may not be an Apple, but that has a lot more to do with Apple's crappy software quality lately, and the fact the photo software I use also works on Windows.

Re: Where the hell are the new MacBooks?

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Post by pbhowmic » Tue, Jun 14, 2016, 6:48 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #17

I'm still breathing life into my 17" MBP from 2010 holding out for Apple to finally make another one.

same here. Mine is 2012 and if they don't offer something decent this fall, I will just add in an SSD to replace the HDD. That ought to hold the perf for a while longer.