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Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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Ignoring for a moment that the script makes zero sense... I expected the writing to feel more sci-fi-esque: space, aliens, computers, physics, etc.

Maybe the conclusion to draw is that sci-fi writing is 99% like any other storytelling in terms of how characters think, behave, and talk.

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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post #31

Ignoring for a moment that the script makes zero sense... I expected the writing to feel more sci-fi-esque: space, aliens, computers, physics, etc. Maybe the conclusion to draw is that sci-fi writing is 99% like any other storytelling in terms of how characters think, behave, and talk.

Scripts of popular sci-fi movies, anyhow. Most films aren't going to be A Clockwork Orange. Instead, they'll just have the same sort of dialogue and tropes as other popular movies, with the science fiction aspect relegated to the sets, props and costumes.

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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AI is not here, as far as we know, so let's stop throwing it around with every other topic

I fully agree. There are even people who think the singularity will be coming within 10-15 years. The state of AI or machine learning if you want is far from what we see in the news.

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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My prediction: At this level of AI-generated writing, keeping the works short will attract (allow?) small audiences ... but only to watch the human talent in the production struggle and improvise over truly awful writing. If a human was responsible for that writing, they wouldn't have much of a career. Actors: 1. AI: 0.

Agreed. Joeboy's description of this screenplay as "word salad" was perfect: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11876333 I like your scoreboard too -- that pretty much sums it up. Although I do wonder if actors/directors could use this as a practice tool. Challenge: turn word salad into a meaningful scene. It almost seems like it could be an exercise in a theatre class. You wouldn't want to do this for the full 10…

Doing scenes with "word salad" is something improv actors do as a practice tool, as well as scenes where each actor only has a single word or simple phrase they can use as dialog. The latter is often part of a performance for an improv troupe.

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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Can anyone explain the appeal of getting an AI to generate a movie or (chat with you)? I find that experience "plastic", not exactly the right word but I hope it conveys the feeling I get when something programmed pretends to be intelligent.

I can understand the appeal of getting an AI to generate movies or TV shows - if it were actually good, you'd be able to get a lot more of that stuff at relatively low cost.

I have zero interest in having a conversation with an AI, nor do I want my computers to have a personality in any way, but I think chatbots serve a similar purpose to this sort of thing - as a demonstration of the progress being made towards something with actual utility. I don't want to make smalltalk with a computer, but I'd love to be able to say, "How many books about dragons, written in Estonian, feature children under the age of 8?" and have it understand my question and understand the books well enough to give me an accurate answer.

Stuff like this is a good demonstration that we're nowhere near the level of sophistication for either of these things yet.

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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Apparently the "essence of sci-fi" is people saying "I don't know what you're talking about" to each other.

At least film/tv sci-fi, which has to constantly find excuses for the characters to explain the differences between the actual present and its future. Print science fiction doesn't have to put that kind of exposition between quotation marks.

Also, as opposed to film/tv, print doesn't have to assume that you forgot it all every 22-120 pages.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ender's Game suggests such a genesis story for AI: born as a "spark" of self awareness in the world wide computer network where it developed silently for a while, before making itself known to humans

Oh wow, is that where that meme started? (All I know about Ender's Game is from https://web.archive.org/web/20110319084212/http://plover.net... )

That's...an interesting take. The character they're talking about didn't appear in the first book. She was introduced later in the series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_%28Ender%27s_Game%29

Re: Sunspring, a short science fiction film written by algorithm

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This is a weird thing about LSTM generated sequences. Any random 5 seconds of this sounds reasonable. Like it could come from an actual movie. But there is no coherency between these sections. It flows and ebbs randomly around the state space like a markov chain, with no direction.

I think this is because LSTMs have very little "memory". They have a learned procedural memory, but no episodic memory. So they have a very difficult time keeping track of information. E.g. if I say "the cat was in the box", a few sentences later I might say "the cat is in the __" and the LSTM has a hard time guessing "box".

Second, it works by predicting the next character in a sequence. This is not how humans write, at all. If you ask a human to predict the next word in a sequence, and then the word after that, and then the word after that, etc, you would also get something like this.

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