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Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by pervycreeper »

rmchugh wrote: post #29

Comparing sci hub to napster is a bit misleading. Elseviers customers are not individual scientists, they're university libraries who pay huge sums to get massive bundles of journal licenses. I have an extremely hard time imagining university libraries cancelling their deals with Elsevier and instead telling their users to check SciHub. What it might result in is slowed growth as new customers feel less pressure from…

If there are nonetheless economic consequences for the publishers, the end result will be the trimming of some fat.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by drivingmenuts »

aw3c2 wrote: post #22
d33 wrote: post #3

One thing that worries me with Sci-Hub is that even though they put all of their PDFs on the torrent, it's too much to mirror by one individual. It would be nice if they implemented some scoring system that would help others mirror the most popular papers or if they worked like thepiratebay - just associating names to magnet links. It would be much easier to help work around the single point of failure then. Right no…

It's not the popular papers that are important. Those will be well spread already. It's the unpopular "rare" ones that need help. You mean the libgen torrents or is there something spefically branded sci-hub?

Why, though? It's a waste of bandwidth to force someone to accept a bunch of information they don't need and didn't ask for.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by bloaf »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #32
aw3c2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the popular papers that are important. Those will be well spread already. It's the unpopular "rare" ones that need help. You mean the libgen torrents or is there something spefically branded sci-hub?

Why, though? It's a waste of bandwidth to force someone to accept a bunch of information they don't need and didn't ask for.

I've always just thought we'd make a system where storing some extra information was just the price of entry. That is, in order to torrent the papers you want, you need to first share an extra gigabyte or so of papers chosen via some algorithm to ensure their availability.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by noonespecial »

andrewfromx wrote: post #4

even Lars Ulrich regrets the side he took in 1999 "I wish that I was more...you know, I felt kind of ambushed by the whole thing because I didn't really know enough about what we were getting ourselves into when we jumped. [...] We didn't know enough about the kind of grassroots thing, and what had been going on the last couple of months in the country as this whole new phenomenon was going on. We were just so stuck…

"I'm not sorry for what I did, I just wish it hadn't, you know, made me look so much like a weird, out-of-touch old man yelling at kids to get off my lawn."

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by MOARDONGZPLZ »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #5

The one thing I've not seen mentioned yet in the Sci-Hub discussions is that the national level academic ISPs seem to have put a very effective domain and IP address block on SciHub. I've tested this both from UK and Scandinavian university networks I have access to, and none of the SciHub domains nor the direct IPs are accessible. Can anyone in the US or rest of Europe with university access test this? It's certainl…

Works in Cambridge, MA.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by wernercd »

pervycreeper wrote: post #31
rmchugh wrote: post #29

Comparing sci hub to napster is a bit misleading. Elseviers customers are not individual scientists, they're university libraries who pay huge sums to get massive bundles of journal licenses. I have an extremely hard time imagining university libraries cancelling their deals with Elsevier and instead telling their users to check SciHub. What it might result in is slowed growth as new customers feel less pressure from…

If there are nonetheless economic consequences for the publishers, the end result will be the trimming of some fat.

Or, god forbid, creating value that isn't available elsewhere. You know... competition.

Why use netflix, when you can get TV Shows/Movies for free? Why use Pandora/Spotify when you can get music for free? Why use Steam when you can get games for free? Dropbox? Microsoft Office?

Because those service(s)/product(s) offer something that the free version(s) doesn't...

If Elsavior is losing customers because of Sci-Hub, they need to look at why they are losing customers... and what they can do to get them back... or if they can (maybe other countries where their services aren't available).

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by [deleted] »

rmchugh wrote: post #29

Comparing sci hub to napster is a bit misleading. Elseviers customers are not individual scientists, they're university libraries who pay huge sums to get massive bundles of journal licenses. I have an extremely hard time imagining university libraries cancelling their deals with Elsevier and instead telling their users to check SciHub. What it might result in is slowed growth as new customers feel less pressure from…

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Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by jkeler »

Loic wrote: post #18
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #5

The one thing I've not seen mentioned yet in the Sci-Hub discussions is that the national level academic ISPs seem to have put a very effective domain and IP address block on SciHub. I've tested this both from UK and Scandinavian university networks I have access to, and none of the SciHub domains nor the direct IPs are accessible. Can anyone in the US or rest of Europe with university access test this? It's certainl…

DTU (Chemical Engineering) has not blocked the access to http://sci-hub.cc . Maybe you can check if you can resolve the domain with an open DNS server like 8.8.8.8 from Google and then access it from your university network.

You don't need DNS, access it directly by IP: http://31.184.194.81/

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by wernercd »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #32
aw3c2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the popular papers that are important. Those will be well spread already. It's the unpopular "rare" ones that need help. You mean the libgen torrents or is there something spefically branded sci-hub?

Why, though? It's a waste of bandwidth to force someone to accept a bunch of information they don't need and didn't ask for.

I'd feel pity if you wasn't trying to get something for free...

Heaven forbid you help propagate lesser used stuff as payment for getting access to the few papers that you feel entitled to get for free...

Re: Sci-Hub Is Blowing Up the Academic Publishing Industry

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Post by pristinenoise »

rmchugh wrote: post #29

Comparing sci hub to napster is a bit misleading. Elseviers customers are not individual scientists, they're university libraries who pay huge sums to get massive bundles of journal licenses. I have an extremely hard time imagining university libraries cancelling their deals with Elsevier and instead telling their users to check SciHub. What it might result in is slowed growth as new customers feel less pressure from…

I worked for a top ten academic research library, and even with budgets in the millions to low ten of millions, there were still plenty of journals we were not buying. Other than the big bundles, often times it was pressure from professors that would force a specific big-ticket journal to be acquired.

If sci-hub.io stops those professors from making requests to the library, then there won't be as much pressure to pick up every last journal.

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